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- buy organic food with no preservatives
- look ingredients
- salt (inorganic preservative)
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“Organic” and “nonGMO” are two things that will actively make me avoid your product.
One of my personal pet peeves, along with people who act like “clean energy” simply means no smog or visible particulate emissions.
That did and in some places does still matter. Homes moving away from heating with coal to natural gas reduces smog. Thus it is seen as clean energy. Because everything is cleaner in the true sense of the word clean. Green is often a better predictor.
Yes, I get that literally clean energy is important and in many places it would be a significant improvement. It can also be easier to explain that we need to move away from fossil fuels based on tangible pollution, not the nebulous “greenhouse gasses” and “global warming”, especially when talking to conservative folks.
Still, I feel like public awareness of the issue is… questionable. Whenever I read about some government program to fund more renewable energy, or hear politiciants discuss it, it’s almost always the literal clean, not green clean. Invisible emissions will still mess up our climate, and more people should know that.
Personally I like charging up batteries in the Nether and bringing them back so the emissions don’t matter.
Stupid question, what’s wrong with organic?
Nothing inherently, you can go ahead and eat apples from your apple tree.
The main issue with “organic” foods is that the term is usually very badly regulated. Sometimes there is no difference between “organic” and “non organic”… besides price. Sometimes “organic” foods use very ecologically unfriendly techniques, or are grown/processed in countries where supply chains are not inspected anyway.
Then there’s the fact that if something is different, it may not always be an environmental or health win. Growing your food in 30cm of water may be one organic and traditional way to avoid using pesticides (see: rice), but doing that with corn in the middle of Arizona would obviously be a terrible idea!
Anyway, overall I don’t think organic foods are worse if you’re well off enough that the price is not an issue. But you shouldn’t feel personal guilt for buying whatever’s cheaper, because quite often the alternative does not justify the price anyway. Eating truly “organic” food unfortunately requires a lot more involvement than picking the green package at a national supermarket chain.
Sometimes there is no difference between “organic” and “non organic”
Probably the most amusing example is strawberries: it’s essentially impossible to grow them without using non-organic pesticides (and there are such things as organic pesticides despite the near-universal but incorrect belief that “organic” means “no pesticides”) so the USDA allows them to be labelled “organic” if they’re grown with non-organic methods but then replanted and treated organically for a few days before being harvested and shipped to market.
I imagine the USDA as a tired underpaid fast-food employee that has to deal with moronic entitled customers.
- “I want an organic strawberry!”
- “I already explained to you that strawberries cannot be grown without non-organic pesticide.”
- “Are you telling me no?!”
- “I’m telling you that what you want is agriculturally impossible.”
- “Do you have any idea who I am!?”
- “Ugh… you know what? Okay.”
* Takes a perfectly regular “non-organically” grown strawberry.
* Slaps an “organic” label on it.
- “Here you go. One organic strawberry. Thank you for shopping with USDA!”
- “Was that so hard?”
I thought people in the US calling food “organic” was akin to our “Agriculture biologique” in France, which is heavily regulated at an european level. Is it nit the case?
The AB label is regulated yes, which is almost equivalent to the EU green leaf. Then there are various private labels. In the US it’s all up to private labels I believe.
Anyone can put “bio” and a vaguely green packaging on anything though AFAIK. And I don’t think the average consumer is very knowledgeable about which label means what; I certainly am not.
Then there’s the problem of fraud, and various issues with the way the EU defines “biological agriculture”, but I don’t really know much about either.
It’s a bullshit marketing term to appeal to pseudoscience and anti-intellectuals.
It’s a heavily abused and arbitrary marketing term that doesn’t actually indicate anything about what the food is made of or how it’s made or grown. It also doesn’t indicate anything about how healthy the food is or how good it tastes. At most it’s slightly better for the environment in some areas with some brands when used properly, but even then regulations are too lax and inconsistent worldwide for it to be a trustworthy label.
It’s code for “same shit but more expensive” As with all the labels, the intent is to shark people’s ignorance with meaningless buzzwords.
It’s more expensive, and it’s typically not that much better than inorganic.
Same, but I’m also a vegan, and the organic and/or non-GMO product is often the only one without animal ingredients.
Just out of curiosity since I assume you know more about this, is “plant based” the same as vegan? Because that’s the hip new term but I’ve always wondered if they’re equivalent or if they do have some animal products which is why they’re dancing around the word vegan. I’ve never gotten a straight answer from the people at the store/restaurant.
Unfortunately, the answer is “It depends”. Although plant-based foods are usually suitable for vegans, it isn’t a regulated term, so you can’t be sure. Also, I think the term “vegan” has negative connotations that “plant-based” doesn’t, so marketers prefer to use that term instead.
Thank you!
Huh. Why??
Because I doubt there is anything we eat that’s non gmo, we have been influencing the genetics of plants around us for centuries.
For example saying you only eat organic watermelon is fucking stupid, look at how it looked 2000 years ago and how it looks now.
Genetically modified generally refers to direct modifications to genes done in a lab. As opposed to selective breeding.
Organic often refers to the use of fertiliser and pesticides. So produce that is grown with compost rather than synthetic fertiliser and synthetic pesticides.
It’s completely feasible to produce organic watermelons and solely consume organic watermelons. It only refers to how the fruit was grown. Not the variety.
There are GMOs that are created in a lab. Commercial varieties breed mainly for shelf life and volume. Then there is heirloom variety’s, older varieties generally breed prior to over commercialisation of farming that has made food more bland and bigger. All of these can be grown organically.
In fact it’s very easy for the only watermelon you eat to be organic. Especially if you grow them yourself, as many gardeners use organic methods exclusively.
I hate North America’s obsession with seedless watermelons and grapes.
I didn’t know seedless watermelons existed. In the UK most grapes are seedless, didn’t release grapes had flavour until I had seeded ones.
It’s probably because they use the same cultivar that doesn’t mature seeds and goes for maximum growth and Resistance to fungi and disease instead of flavour.
Fuck organic food where can I buy some silicon based food?
All about that Germanium based food personally
You’re telling me you’ve never had a cobblestone cobbler? Not even a sand-wich?
Reject modernity, embrace salt as currency.
This sounds like a protest slogan.
Don’t worry. It was there for flavor. Not preservation.
I realize the ambiguity of whether organic really matters, but there is a strong link to pesticide use and the eventual extinction of bees-
Vitamin E (tocopherols) are also preservatives that can be added to organic food.
The wealth of misinformation and personal opinions in this thread is… it’s just classic.
It’s incredible that as we are actively engaging in conversation on the internet we fail to use this modern marvel to better ourselves. Instead, we choose to bear our ignorance and influence impressionable minds.
I mean, I know this a meme and maybe not the right place for fact checking, still…
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/health-benefits-organic-food-farming-report/
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Why are people transcribing memes?
So that vision impaired people or people with whatever other impairment can enjoy the content. The text can be read out by a screen reader.
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At least they labeled salt correctly as “inorganic”. Doesn’t matter, but it’s at least correct.
that cat seems to be missing the top of his head. Where is the rest of his head?
He ate too much organic food with salt in it and got smooth brain.
It’s a huge conspiracy that the big seasoning companies don’t want you to know.
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The bigger lie is “Organic salt”.
I know this is a joke but I highly recommend the app Yuka. You use it to scan food and beauty products and it shows you if they’re toxic. You’ll be astonished at how much is.
Any thoughts on OpenFoodFacts? When you mentioned it, I searched and saw alternativeto.net said this was an open-source alternative. An app is available on F-Droid as well (That software I run is Libre is important for me personally)
Ooh neat. Idk much about it. I’m currently on an iPhone (regret). Yuka is pretty cool in that their pro plan is pay what you will, I will mention, though.
