Was this the Ghost of Keeeeeeeeeeeeev?
Background: On 22 December, Ukrainian defenders shot down three Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers on the southern front.
Dude… its been three fucking days. Unless the drop in air sorties went from dozens down to zero and stay that way for weeks to a month, this means absolutely nothing.
True to you. Strikes were reported as irregular, combing in intense series whenever Russia wanted a bigger impact. Saying just a couple of days of lesser bombing means it made an impact is too optimistic. They could’ve prepared ammunition for another bigger strike. But journoes need to write news somehow?
there’s no evidence for this btw, take ukrainian media with a mountain of salt
who needs evidence, when the goal is to keep the narrative alive
TBF Krause, not so long ago when I noticed your avatar, pointed out that communist East Germany did some pretty nasty stuff, and gave plenty of evidence to support that assertion, you called that a fairytale too.
I don’t think it’s a stretch to say you might be a bit biased, and we should probably take your comments with a mountain of salt too.
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Make that 4 as of today.
The Sukhoi Su-34 (Russian: Сухой Су-34; NATO reporting name: Fullback)[6] is a Soviet-origin Russian twin-engine, twin-seat, all-weather supersonic medium-range fighter-bomber/strike aircraft.[7][8][9][10] It first flew in 1990, intended for the Soviet Air Forces, and it entered service in 2014 with the Russian Air Force.[11]
It’s sort of a shit design for 2023 tbh.
Sounds like Ukraine got a new air defense system… Maybe they moved a Patriot battery?
It’s pretty mid nowadays, nowhere near the levels of the F-22 or F-35. But the F-16 C, D or MLU versions are in almost every way a very modern fighter. Russia does pretty much the same thing, but while an upgrade F-16 is called a ‘block 50’, an upgraded SU-27 is called an SU-30 (or 34, or 35). They’re basically all improved versions of 1970s planes.
The SU57 and Mig-35 are basically non-existent, if not actually so.
The F-16 is absolutely not the best fighter out there anymore, but it’s hardly a pushover and at the very least on par with what Russia is fielding.
The F-16 was even outclassed by the J-17 in the recent Pakistani Operation Indus Shield 2023 exercises according to recent reports.
I haven’t read a report on that in English. Could you share?
It’s in the new issue of Air Force Monthly.
The only reference I could find (headline skimming) is a Pakistani pilot giving the politically correct statement that their native-built fighter is better than the imported one.
Yeah, that’s the theory. Russia had been using the planes to bomb a Ukrainian beachhead from an area that would keep them out of range for the Soviet-era systems Ukraine has in that area, so Ukraine moved a patriot system there, switched off. When the Russians flew in and they got detected on long range radar, they turned on the patriot and fired.
Says Pravda.com.ua. Shouldn’t this fall under rule 1?
Tbh on second thought it probably should. I haven’t seen any confirmation of any downed Su-34s, which you’d think Ukraine would be extremely eager to post.
Ukrainian pravda
Point disregarded.
Is the Su in Su-34 short for cyka?
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Ukrainian Pravda is basically a propaganda outlet. Why is a mod posting this lmao
Why does every comment you make about Ukraine end up being so Pro-Russia that it feels pro-genocide?
Hmmm, I initially wanted to agree with the OP, since the whole “Pravda” thing is a naming scheme from Soviet times, but apparently it’s reasonably well regarded:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ukrayinska-pravda-the-ukrainian-truth/
I.e. not at all like Komsomolskaya Pravda, which is straight up Russian yellow press party line nonsense.
They can have their failings, for sensationalism’s sake, but I don’t remember them posting pure masturbatory propaganda. It’s your average news outlet, and usual country-specific biases apply, but nothing Onion-like to see. If anything, let it sit for a day before reacting if it feels too weird.
