Hmmm… I am still not 100% convinced that without socialism the working class movement would reach the other shore though.
For instance, see how syndicalism got us nowhere and how the bourgeoisie just took away all the concession they gave syndicates post cold war. See how Black Lives Matter didn’t achieve a bigger change due to its lack of association with socialism. The capitalists just defanged the moment and gave bare-minimum concessions to apease the people.
It seems that the working-class movements without socialism are boats that get sunk by the bourgeois missiles and torpedoes.
We need both socialism and the working-class movement to get to the other shore.
I think when we discuss the inevitability of socialism, we ultimately imagine this inevitability arriving at the same speed, regardless of how we get there. I think that isn’t really true, though. A movement with socialism at its core cuts the down the travel time, and softens the landing when we arrive. A movement without socialism at its core will take much longer to get there, and the landing will be hard. I think even over a long enough span of time, even without a socialist understanding or a workers’ movement, socialism will come. By that time, though, all our imaginary lines will have faded from memory.
Socialism isn’t the implementation of a new social and economic order. It is the re-implementation of a long forgotten social and economic order. The level of industrial capacity and sophistication in which Socialism is implemented is entirely dependent on how we arrive at the shore.
There was a time, where people lived in a more egalitarian way, and where humans productive output went from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs. The people who could have taught us that way of life were obliterated by colonialism.
If we have a compass to guide us, we’ll arrive with all the supplies, people, and tools we require. If we don’t, we will arrive with only the necessities, having likely lost a large portion of institutional knowledge along the way.
I don’t subscribe to the notion that greed is a natural or productive aspect of human nature, or that “human nature” is much of a monolith at all. I do think, however, that our success and dominance as a species through our history can be greatly attributed to our communal tendencies. Likewise, I believe that given the opportunity, those tendencies would thrive, and that in itself is the core contradiction within the capitalist system that leads to its ultimate undoing. We simply recontextualized this desire for communal life and communal organization as a “Worker’s Movement”.
Primitive / Pre-Marxist / Pre-Industrial Communism is simply Communism before we knew what it was called. It formed organically, without the need for pamphlets, books, essays, or theory. A world that was both post-scarcity but also pre-surplus.
For the second paragraph, will it reach the other shore though because it seems that the working class is voting for fascists now?
Yes it will, no matter how bleak the current context looks/feels/is, it’s still a very insignificant portion of history.
Hmmm… I am still not 100% convinced that without socialism the working class movement would reach the other shore though.
For instance, see how syndicalism got us nowhere and how the bourgeoisie just took away all the concession they gave syndicates post cold war. See how Black Lives Matter didn’t achieve a bigger change due to its lack of association with socialism. The capitalists just defanged the moment and gave bare-minimum concessions to apease the people.
It seems that the working-class movements without socialism are boats that get sunk by the bourgeois missiles and torpedoes.
We need both socialism and the working-class movement to get to the other shore.
I think when we discuss the inevitability of socialism, we ultimately imagine this inevitability arriving at the same speed, regardless of how we get there. I think that isn’t really true, though. A movement with socialism at its core cuts the down the travel time, and softens the landing when we arrive. A movement without socialism at its core will take much longer to get there, and the landing will be hard. I think even over a long enough span of time, even without a socialist understanding or a workers’ movement, socialism will come. By that time, though, all our imaginary lines will have faded from memory.
Socialism isn’t the implementation of a new social and economic order. It is the re-implementation of a long forgotten social and economic order. The level of industrial capacity and sophistication in which Socialism is implemented is entirely dependent on how we arrive at the shore.
There was a time, where people lived in a more egalitarian way, and where humans productive output went from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs. The people who could have taught us that way of life were obliterated by colonialism.
If we have a compass to guide us, we’ll arrive with all the supplies, people, and tools we require. If we don’t, we will arrive with only the necessities, having likely lost a large portion of institutional knowledge along the way.
I don’t subscribe to the notion that greed is a natural or productive aspect of human nature, or that “human nature” is much of a monolith at all. I do think, however, that our success and dominance as a species through our history can be greatly attributed to our communal tendencies. Likewise, I believe that given the opportunity, those tendencies would thrive, and that in itself is the core contradiction within the capitalist system that leads to its ultimate undoing. We simply recontextualized this desire for communal life and communal organization as a “Worker’s Movement”.
Primitive / Pre-Marxist / Pre-Industrial Communism is simply Communism before we knew what it was called. It formed organically, without the need for pamphlets, books, essays, or theory. A world that was both post-scarcity but also pre-surplus.
The working class movement is more significant in the long run than electoral politics