Trucks are getting so stupid. The brands are smart though, they really know how to to make the most of men insecurities.
I can only recommend Our Changing Climates take on this: “Are Men Killing the Planet?”
The title is inflammatory, yes, but it’s a great video that drives home the point of masculine insecurity and a “dominance of nature” spurs a lot of the “masculine” stereotype behind trucks and SUVs.
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Yeah, I assumed as much so I just made a Beetlejuice joke
They’ve also started releasing smaller trucks recently, so things are getting better in that aspect.
The masses yearn for the Ford Ranger.
The ranger is back, but it’s still large. The maverick is more like the old ranger.
most of men insecurities
This could be true years ago, but nowadays the number of women buying and preferring this stupid things grows more and more.
One is a truck made for actual work and the other is an abomination pretending to be a truck.
The second is basically a minivan, but the 3rd row is a truck bed.
My truck is kinda similar, but they just took a smaller suv and added a bed.
So why not just use the van? At least the cargo space is covered from the elements. Most people who drove these yank tanks don’t actually need the truck part.
So why not just use the van?
Using the right tool for the right job.
Open bed of a truck is very handy for very tall items or stuff that needs to be dumped like rocks, dirt etc… Or if your towing a very large load with goose neck trailer.
Not arguing that at all. But vans really aren’t much better from a fuel economy standpoint.
Actually minivans have more utility cause you could take out the middle row. And they had the sliding door and hatch and were more compact .
But only one can crush a toddler without you even feeling it.
Buy the new Ford Infanticide 5000. You’re American. You deserve it.
Not just toddlers. All children under ten are invisible!
With the right lift kit even adults are not safe.
I’m a tall male (6’3") and even I worry about being seen over the hood of those monstrosities.
After many years of driving different cars/trucks/other I want to know why at some point in the year 2000 decided that vision out of a moving vehicle was secondary to swoopy body lines. Get in something from the 60’s and you can see amazing (even in a boat of a car) yet by 2006 you can not see shit. for example:
Chad 1966 Chrysler 300:
2020 Chrysler 300:
Gotta appreciate the writers on GTA 6, reality is going to make that a really hard gig.
willing to bet the driver of the tiny truck has a bigger… ahem
Fuel range? Yea probably
It’s penis. He means penis. Like, probably the length and girth of his penis. No one ever mentions penis color or how hairy it is (those are Jeep guys), just always the size.
or how hairy it is (those are Jeep guys)
how would you know?
It’s a jeep thing
It’s a jeep thing
you mentioned that. my questions was how would you know that?
It’s a thing jeep
I eent to buy a jeep last year and the dealer said he had to inspect my shaft and pubes before he’d let me on the lot. Didn’t wind up buying one, the market adjustments were outrageous!
He probably didn’t take yaw into account
He has seen a Jeep penis. Where did you think vehicles come from?
Not the person you asked. It’s a joke. That’s jeeps stupid slogan.
oh. well, thanks for clarifying, anyway
Sigh. Look, if you’ve never been to a jeep consortium, that’s just how it goes. Hairy things flopping all over, kindof like a rave with more roll bars. I never want to see that much pubic hair again in my life.
waves hands External spare wheel, spare pubes. All connected.
Yes I know it was a joke
It’s Joe Biden’s fault that my truck gives shitty gas mileage
Thanks Obama /s
CAFE was enacted in 1975
At least do a good bit if you’re going to do one
The driver of the second truck definitely has a bigger… autoloan
And potentially family. It’s a 4 door truck. It’s a transportation vehicle with a bed and slightly greater towing capacity than a sedan. Lot of suburban dads have these.
Trucks gotta be the most uncomfortable family vehicle lmao
I’m a tiny-truck-lover, and want one badly, but my family’s big 'murica truck is waaaay more comfortable than my current sedan :( Unrelated, but do tiny work trucks come with Bluetooth now?
Damn I hated riding in the back of my dad’s Silverado. I’m almost 6ft and I can comfortably fit behind myself in the back seat of my impreza. The new Maverick looks like a pretty cool small truck option
Eh, your cheaper compact sedans are comparable. It’s definitely not great, but good enough. The front seats are comfortable, at least.
Smol one can tow stupid ugly one. What do you need to tow, that is heavier that stupid ugly one?
Body shaming is not okay.
In this case it’s not about body shaming but about shaming a means of compensation. Also it’s not really a literal take. “Big dick energy” has nothing do with actual dick size. And being a “Karen” has nothing to with a persons actual name or gender.
Neither is trashing the climate with pointlessly big vehicles just to compensate for whatever insecurities they have. We need to either tax or regulate these stupid vehicles back to a reasonable and safe size.
It’s not just big vehicles that do that. For instance I wouldn’t call a supra a big vehicle but when they wake me up at 3 AM because they have to be louder than fire sirens I feel like that is compensating as well.
You agree that body shaming is not okay and yet you contribute to it. Why?
We are criticizing the cult of toxic masculinity, not body types.
Wow hot take
But the body on right is so much bigger, and takes up so much wasted space!
The smaller body on the left is more fuel efficient too.
Plus, body shaming when you’re ugly and useless like that is okay.
who did that?
Not sure if you’re serious but i will answer as if you were.
A common attack against people with large trucks is that they have a large truck to compensate having a small penis. This implies having a small penis is bad/unacceptable. This is obvious body shaming but also contributes to toxic masculinity.
Both of these are unacceptable.There are many alternative ways to talk shit without playing into these kinds of comments and TBH, the compensation comments have been used so much and are so obviously baseless that they don’t hit very hard, IMO.
well, i didn’t actually say that, and i’m not responsible for others filling in the blanks with their own negative thoughts. as you can see, several others actually managed to conclude something different.
don’t blame the Rorschach test because you see something you don’t like.
Disingenuous to the point of absurdity
that’s exactly what blaming me for something i didn’t say is
It was implicit. If you can’t deal with being called out on your rhetoric, perhaps you shouldn’t use it.
Body shaming is dumb and so is owning such a huge truck.
Blocked. User has nothing useful to contribute and will argue in bad faith when called out.
At least I won’t be hearing anymore from you.
I didn’t actually say it I just heavily implied it 🤓
Death wish? I love kei trucks but I fear getting into a mash up in one of them.
Better to get the one that’s specifically designed to kill toddlers then. If children have to die so you can be less scared of a “mash up” then it’s all worth it.
specifically designed to kill toddlers
“Lead designer to ensure child lethality” is such a badass job title.
American 🫵😐
Typical “Everyone drives a big truck so I will too!” mindset that misses the core issue on why kei trucks are the better ones. You simply can’t imagine a world where the Ford Death Cruiser 4 billion doesn’t exist.
Japan, the country that invented kei cars, also has larger cars. You’re not looking at the same chance as running into a hummer, but crashing a kei car into a white plate out here still doesn’t look good for the kei.
In kei trucks and other models where the engine is behind you, a crash is gonna fuck you up, no matter what country you’re in or what you hit.
Japanese lower speed limits help. Also, few people in Japan are driving long distances in these things.
Sure, but they’re not banned from highways. It’s not uncommon to see them, although you’re right about lower speed limits-- a lot of highways are about 80 km max
2 wheels for me please.
But, thank you for taking the time on that well thought out, informative post.
Also, one of these actually needs and uses the bed, the other one doesn’t.
When my little 4-cylinder truck wore out in 2021, I looked so hard for one of the little kei trucks. But all of the ones I could find were $20k, or they were $15k and needed a lot of work to be driveable. And none of them were within 200 miles of my location.
I ended up with a used base-model F150 which only cost me $12k. It had 81k miles on it. As near as I can figure out, it started life as a rental truck for a hardware store called “Menards”. It has an 8ft bed, no carpet, no power locks, no power windows, no back seat, no touchscreen, and no color LCD screen in the gauge cluster. I use this truck for a small farm that my wife and I run, so it doesn’t get driven every day.
Im still looking for a kei truck, though.
Try carused.jp - they’ll find you a truck matching your requirements, arrange shipping and even customs.
I recommend Suzuki Carry da52t 4x4 - you should be able to get a low mileage one for 5-6k all in.
The Suzuki Carry is the one I really wanted. I’ve a soft spot for tiny suzuki vehicles.
Every time I mention not being able to find one in early 2022, people come along to show me where I can get one now. The issue was, I couldn’t find one when I needed it.
If you still want one as indicated in the comment I responded to contact carused with what you want and they’ll notify you when it’s available
That’s a pretty great deal on an F150. Nice!
It was half the price of the next cheapest truck on the lot, and the next cheapest truck had twice the miles. But the next cheapest truck had all the whiz-bang fancy electronics, instead of being four wheels and a truck bed.
Towing capacity, payload weight, carrying 3 more people, bed width, drivetrain? I think many trucks are way too big, and it’s silly to own a big work truck if you just use it to go to the grocery store but it’s really about so much more than bed size.
Let’s be honest, most people with trucks that large rarely have passengers, rarely even approach the payload for the bed, and they never tow anything.
Yeah sure but I guess my point was that it’s a false equivalency. The truck on the right is massively more capable than the one on the left. I certainly don’t need one that big and most people don’t.
Yeah it’s about
BIG TRUCK MAKE ME FEEL LIKE MAN. MAKE ME FEEL LIKE BIG BOY. LOOK ME DRIVE BIG VEHICLE SO YOU KNOW I’M IMPORTANT.
LOOK AT ME!!!
Legit I know guys that don’t even need one for work or anything, just get one for ego
Maybe sometimes, but it’s also just a massively more capable vehicle. Sometimes the simplest answer is the truth.
Something tells me you have an oversized truck in your driveway…
I drive a VW golf and I love it.
It’s really not.
It’s about getting past emission standards and pandering to people who don’t understand enough is enough.
They’re also hazards as the increased hood length and height create massive blind spots that have caused a rise in collisions and deaths.
I think both are true. The truck on the right is super capable, and also dangerous, inefficient, unnecessary for most people.
carrying 3 more people
As a payload.
I’m not sure if you can fill it to load capacity even with lead bricks.
Or if you want to carry people, you can use this:
. For carrying not people you can remove seats. It’s even roughly same size.Oh, marshrutka
So many good memories, got replaced with better buses in my city
Bless your city. I know one city in Belgorod Oblast that still 100% microbuses.
But a van and a truck are used for different things. Your not going to see a van around the farm for example because it just isn’t that useful for farm work. Just like your not going to see a truck out delivering packages because it just isn’t the useful for that use case. Many of these vehicles have the exact same frame and engion just with a different body on top for whatever best fits the use case.
In addition to the payload. Payload goes in the back! Fill it with stones then put five men in it to shovel the stones. You’d need two vans for the same purpose. And if it’s roughly the same size, what’s the problem? Vans like that can be nice too, we see lots of Ford transits here in the states for tradesmen. Similar use case to what you’re describing.
This was my take. Considering the bed is wider and deeper, that black truck can literally hold 4x what the other truck carries.
Also from a quick google, I only see a single mini-truck retailer within 500 miles of me and they only sell very-used, with worse exhausts and MPGs than an F150.
Most people don’t need that bigger truck, but if they do that smaller truck won’t cut it.
Please show us a kei truck with less fuel economy then any truck sold in the US in the last lets say 15 years. Hell you can even remove the exhaust altogether and you will be lucky to get a truck double the fuel need of any of those “mini-trucks” as you call them.
A quick google suggests “real world” use of modern microtrucks is 28ish mpg without heavily modding it or super-efficient variants. Older Kei trucks are lower. Actually, much MUCH lower according to minitrucktalk. 22-23.
I know someone with a 2021 Silverado Hybrid holding at 29mpg. And they regularly lug full loads that would take four trips from a Kei truck. Admittedly the “hybrid” part stops mattering with full loads, but I guarantee Kei isn’t going to have great MPG numbers carrying 1000lbs of cargo.
Minitruck owners (sometimes rightly) lean on a soapbox where they and those around them rarely lug any cargo. IMO, might as well drive a Prius at that point but whatever. But ya gotta stop the circlejerk enough to acknowledge that someone who does regularly carry a full cab worth of stuff is in a better position with a normal truck.
Flip-side, very few people need a truck. And those that don’t need a truck also don’t need a kei truck.
Thanks for providing some info, sadly the 29mpg on the hybrid is not the norm or good (had to convert it to 8.1l/100kms like a normal person) it looks like your buddy is doing some great mileage compared to say the info from https://www.fuelly.com/car/chevrolet/silverado_1500/2011?engineconfig_id=&bodytype_id=&submodel_id=62. As for the fuel use of a kei truck, I have only seen those sort of numbers on high speed highway driving as they are just not geared for it. I would love to be able to by a smaller truck, or even a new version of an older one. The issue is we are not given many options other then a kei truck designed for the urban focused Japanese market or a stupid massive van with a 4 foot bed.
Thanks for providing some info, sadly the 29mpg on the hybrid is not the norm or good
For a load-bearing vehicle it absolutely is. And I showed that it compared favorably to these minitrucks. This whole thread is about comparing trucks to trucks. If you need to carry shit, you are hurting the environment if you buy a mini-truck over a Silverado or F150.
it looks like your buddy is doing some great mileage compared to say the info from
Well, 10 years goes a long way. You literally picked a 2011 Silverado. Perhaps look at 2023 numbers on the same site?
As for Kei, as I said it’s hard to get a fair chance when the only places nearby sell heavily-used older vehicles. Gas mileage has largely skyrocketed of late because Auto manufacturers are getting scared.
But ultimately, If you have any truck and don’t need its carrying ability, you’re an asshole. I think the case of a japanese mini-truck being the “best choice” is ultimately too rare to hold your breath for.
A step further, the REAL sad truth is that most minitrucks aren’t even legal in the US without being modified to a max speed of 25mph because they don’t meet safety and emission standards for road vehicles. That’s why so many around here are old. Before 1998, they’re grandfathered in and people in other countries that don’t grandfather old vehicles are offloading them.
Do we really want to be cheering on unsafe high-emission vehicles as the “cure” to the F150?
For a load-bearing vehicle it absolutely is. And I showed that it compared favorably to these minitrucks. This whole thread is about comparing trucks to trucks. If you need to carry shit, you are hurting the environment if you buy a mini-truck over a Silverado or F150.
It does not show that, it showed almost nothing other then your one truck gets middling gas mileage and then you said people on a minitruck forum say they don’t haul stuff. There was as far as I can see no comparison of load to load capacity, avg fuel economy or anything other then you like your buddies 2021 silverado.
Well, 10 years goes a long way. You literally picked a 2011 Silverado. Perhaps look at 2023 numbers on the same site?
your link lists MPG of 21.82 for 2023, that is almost 1/3 worse then your friend.
As for Kei, as I said it’s hard to get a fair chance when the only places nearby sell heavily-used older vehicles. Gas mileage has largely skyrocketed of late because Auto manufacturers are getting scared.
But ultimately, If you have any truck and don’t need its carrying ability, you’re an asshole. I think the case of a japanese mini-truck being the “best choice” is ultimately too rare to hold your breath for.
A step further, the REAL sad truth is that most minitrucks aren’t even legal in the US without being modified to a max speed of 25mph because they don’t meet safety and emission standards for road vehicles. That’s why so many around here are old. Before 1998, they’re grandfathered in and people in other countries that don’t grandfather old vehicles are offloading them.
Do we really want to be cheering on unsafe high-emission vehicles as the “cure” to the F150?
The legal issues are a issue not because these are unsafe or high-emission (they are not). They are a major issue because the auto industry has fed you that tripe and like a lot of US consumers you bought it. These are not good on gas, they have convinced people that 29mpg in a hybrid that costs as much as a house is good.
I like many other people do have the occasional need for a truck, and in no world would you catch me in anything made in north America for the last 20 years. Like many other people I had to buy a very old truck (carberated v8 that gets 14ish mpg btw) and it sits by my barn until it is needed. The “cure” to the f150 is just the option to buy a old f150 or any other truck not made into a 5 seat van like monstrosity. I would love to have the option to buy a new truck that was small, be it a kei or a domestic. But I don’t.
It does not show that
Agree to disagree.
your link lists MPG of 21.82 for 2023, that is almost 1/3 worse then your friend.
That is for a non-Hybrid Silverado, and my friend has a hybrid. Seems to make sense.
The legal issues are a issue not because these are unsafe or high-emission (they are not). They are a major issue because the auto industry has fed you that tripe and like a lot of US consumers you bought it.
That is sorta tinfoil. There is a process in most states to get ANY vehicle street-legal. But Kei trucks don’t just need safety features retrofitted, apparently they lack a sufficient roll cage to pass inspections for valid safety concerns. Even Kei fans can’t agree on whether it’s more or less safe in a crash than a motorcycle.
As for emissions, in a lot of states you just have to pass standard EPA emissions guidelines like any other vehicle. Apparently that’s very difficult for a Kei truck to do. Perhaps it uses a gallon or two less per hundred miles, but its emissions are worse.
Lots of Kei truck fans out there removed about how the EPA should have better things to do than care about fehicle emissions, but I’d think a “fuck cars” community would care about vehicle emissions.
These are not good on gas, they have convinced people that 29mpg in a hybrid that costs as much as a house is good.
So your viewpoint is entirely about money. Just be straight with it.
and in no world would you catch me in anything made in north America for the last 20 years. Like many other people I had to buy a very old truck (carberated v8 that gets 14ish mpg btw) and it sits by my barn until it is needed.
Why is that? Newer vehicles tend to be safer in collisions and better on emissions than the equivalent older vehicle.
The “cure” to the f150 is just the option to buy a old f150
Circa 2000 F150s rate as low as 10-11MPG. New F150s rate as high as 25MPG. And new F150s are a lot safer to drive. I’ll ask again, is this entire rant of yours just about money? Because maybe I’m the wrong person to respond to if you’re just cheap. I get it, I’d rather take a bus myself than have a car payment.
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You came to a community called “Fuck Cars” and your take away is they are too negative about, cars? Did you think this was “Fuck Cars Sensually”?
…yes?
We really need a “Fuck cars sensually” made
To the tune of “Fuck Her Gently?”
You don’t always have to fuck cars hard
In fact sometimes that’s not right to do
More as a community on Lemmy, But I would not say no to a tribute song.
Based on their slur usage, I’m going to go with yes
Yeah OK, but only in one of these trucks can I safely text and drive.
Pretty sure that is unsafe in any truck if you are the driver.
I’m guessing it was a joke meaning “I might kill others but I’ll survive”
You guessed correctly, congratulations!
We’ll be driving your prize to your front door in an instance and by tonight you can take your new truck for a ride and experience first hand, that it really works!
Say those pesky neighbors kids good bye and enjoy your new life as a true king of the road!
Cops 🕵️👀
Yes but one is for work while the other is a compensation device
the larger one does do more:
- Pick up 3 extra people
- Can roll down the back window to let long planks of wood through
These are the only extra advantages I can see, and they are seldom use cases at best.
Fine, if you’re a contractor driving your workers to/from work whilst carrying all the equipment, on a daily basis, such a truck is very useful.
But how many people who drive these do that?
Nobody does work out of that truck, it has a bed cover and the wheels don’t look like they have any mud or dirt caked in the tread/wheels. It’s a little pavement princess that probably carries one person 75% of the time.
25% is really high. I doubt most of these ever see another ass.
On the other side based on what I hear about american obesety, it can carry only 3 asses: one for each row including bed.
- Pick up 20 extra people
- Or pick up 30 extra people if some of them can stay
- Have enclosed trunk(you still can leave doors in the back open)
- Lower bed
- Can carry bigger payloads
fair point, plus it’s cheaper
The 3 extra people is a valid reason to not want the smaller truck. Still wouldn’t need to be so monstrous.
But since the kei truck cannot travel over 55 mph, that makes it more dangerous!
Yeah, but which one will make women think my penis is huge?
Front one, dude
A truck like the front one is driven by someone with nothing to prove.
You’re right! It’s true! Little cars make penises look bigger based on relative sizes!
No no no but which one will make his BUDDIES insecure. That’s the kicker.
Given the stereotype, I guess the tiny truck?
Ever wonder why this thing can only go 55 MPH? Yup, my Magnum dong! Nothing slows down a truck like moving around that hunk of meat, let me tell you! Now about our date.
Because your dick is always a ratio of your car size
inverse ratio
Why don’t we have ratios for other things besides dick size though?
Bank account
Rudeness
Self insecurity
Here you go with a few
Nah those things are too wishy washy, bank account I can kinda understand but there’s a lot of rich dumb removed, just look at Trump
Yep inherited wealth lasts just as long
Anyway he’s not my problem I live somewhere else. I still cringe though when he opens his mouth.
Here are a couple of videos explaining why we can’t have small trucks.
Car manufacturers can make more money per vehicle on large trucks. So I’m curious what influence their lobiests had on this.
He kind of touches base on that in the second video. But it definitely plays a part.
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No clue why people buy kei cars from Japan when they can pick up the left hand drive version of the kei cars from Taiwan.
I see one truck and one blue minivan with a covered cargo area.
For real, these things are basically minivans for suburban dads. The primary thing this thing will be hauling is kids to soccer practice. At Christmas time, though, he’ll go get the tree from Home Depot himself, instead of needing to have it delivered.
I really like my 2003 Ford ranger. It’s small, but can still haul enough that it works perfectly fine for when I’m picking up dirt for my garden. But also it’s definitely not fuel efficient in the way that I’d want it to be. I wish they made something that size but newer.
2002 Tundra here. It is definitely the perfect size for a truck. However, now that it’s pretty old and beat up, and I’ve moved into a denser city, I think it’s getting time for something new :(
I really like my two-and-a-half-tonnes death machine. It’s small, but can still haul enough that it works perfectly fine for when I need to dispose bodies that I just ran over. But also it’s definitely not fuel efficient in the way that I’d want it to be. I wish they made something that size but newer.
My ranger is 3200 pounds.
Edit: Just checked cuz I was curious, and that is only 300 lb more than the Tesla model 3. Your comment felt rude and unnecessarily aggressive. I hope you’re having a good night.
Small???
It’s sad to say, but that generation of Ford Ranger is way smaller than trucks from the last decade.
I’ve never really been a truck guy, I also hate driving large vehicles in general and both preferences predate both my knowledge and even belief in climate change(I was raised as an evangelical in the south).
If there was something like a Ranger or an S10 from the mid-late 90s with an electric motor I’d be all over it, fuck put out an electric El Camino and I’d rip my sleeves off on the way to the dealership
There’s kits to convert the old Rangers to electric I think and there was an electric model from the 90s sold only to Ford employees. You’re definitely going to drop a ton on batteries though if you were trying to convert one yourself
That’s because it’s a Mazda in ford clothing
In the US at least, it’s the other way around. The Ford Ranger is 100% Ford, while Mazda actually rebadged the Ford Ranger as the B series for the US market.
TIL. Thanks for sharing buddy
Man, I tried finding one of those cool websites where you can put like two cars together to compare their size. But it doesn’t have the year of my ranger. But yeah, they’re smaller than the new trucks by a lot. And they weigh about half as much. If you can get one of the older Toyota’s or like a cool little Datsun, they’re a little bit smaller, but really kind of in the mid 2000s was when trucks really started blowing up in size and absurdity.
As in, not grotesquely oversized?
Have you seen a 2003 Ranger? They’re objectively small unless you are comparing them to a mini cooper or an 80s Miata.
