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      He was also a friend to his Native neighbors and a fond reader of Napoleon and Oliver Cromwell histories. Even setting aside his armed rebellion and Bleeding Kansas, the guy was never much of a pacifist and hardly one to shy away from extremism or his belief in the righteousness of working people.

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      John Brown didn’t conditionally advocate for people in bondage if they were christian, this person is completely thoughtless.

      John Brown was really religious–>really religious people hate non-believers (which isn’t even generally true) but it’s demonstrably untrue in Brown’s case with even a cursory knowledge of his life

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        I posted this further up but John Ingersoll was the most famous atheist of the day and a friend of Brown and said this

        But the real pioneer in America was old John Brown. Moved not by prejudice, not by love of his blood, or his color, but by an infinite love of Liberty, of Right, of justice, almost single- handed, he attacked the monster, with thirty million people against him. His head was wrong. He miscalculated his forces; but his heart was right. He struck the sublimest blow of the age for freedom. It was said of him that he stepped from the gallows to the throne of God. It was said that he had made the scaffold to Liberty what Christ had made the cross to Christianity.

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      Ah yes, of everyone in society to hate, it would be the communists for atheism and not the monstrous war machine that scours a million lives a decade and robs the global South of its resources every time its gaze falls upon a poor, barely defend brown country like the eye of Sauron. Yes, I’m sure he’d be an insufferable terminally online social media lib, rather than the one who shoots the insufferable terminally online social media lib.

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      communists are atheists

      “Finance imperialists are soulless and satanic, every church is just a temporarily embarrassed Jeffrey Epstein pagan temple” this is atheism, I am very smart!

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      Lol not only did Marx and Brown coexisted in the same time period, but Brown has expressed his interest in socialism and anti capitalism. Does this loser think every slave Brown worked with was a devout Christian?

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      Lenin would have said “tighten the interest rates because the economy needs healthy bank reserves” if you ask me.

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    Holy shit John Brown himself was so fucking sick of hearing this exact argument made about slavery he killed slavers with a giant sword.

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      “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they are the children of God” – Jesus Christ

      “I, John Brown am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood.” – John Brown

      Clearly, we can all see the parallels.

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        “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they are the children of God” – Jesus Christ

        “I, John Brown am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood.” – John Brown

        Clearly, we can all see the parallels.

        I don’t know about parallels but this certainly reads like a before and after.

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        I’ve seen more than a few pro-Israeli comments say “if they stole your mom and siblings would you call for a ceasefire?? Wouldn’t you want the most severe reaction from Israel?” Like what the fuck, no, if my family is held hostage please stop shooting and bombing everyone! I haven’t seen any real person make this argument, it seems like desperate propaganda that is clearly failing.

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          I saw the second interview between Piers and Bassem Yousef and when Bassem asked if the government should destroy the empire state building if it had terrorists inside and Piers was like “Well that’s the question isn’t it”

          Israel has literally driven people to insanity.

          Also apparently an Israeli politician has already said that they can’t fear for the hostages and disregard their soldiers’ lives.

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            That is wild, for a conflict that doesn’t have a direct impact on average Americans I am surprised how far some supporters of Israel will admit they will go. This almost seems like a conflict that people could fight over in the US, from the seriousness I’ve seen people talk about it, even if all major politicians of both parties support Israel. There is just such extreme propaganda pushing the Israeli position, and people opposed to Israel have been seeing endless murder for decades (paid for in part by US taxes) and desperately want to end it.

            It was on the first or second day after Oct 7th that I saw an IDF spokesperson saying “the hostages are already killed, Hamas had no intention of releasing them.” This was a clear signal they were not even going to try to save them. And then later when it comes out that someone like the German-Israeli woman at the music festival was killed, people will be like “oh Hamas how could you!” When it was likely she was killed by IDF bombing.

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            Well that’s just an admission that soldier lives are more valuable than civilian lives. Not surprising coming from the only faction in this conflict actually confirmed to use human shields with evidence.

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    “There are good slavemasters and bad slaves so I agree with both sides. How about we try a humanitarian pause where all the slaves are freed 4 hours a day?” - John Brown

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    a radical liberal with…an interest in economics

    “I, John Brown am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. careful manipulation of interest rates” – Modern John Brown apparently

    (damn, that hurt to type…)

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    Slavery is none other than the most barbarous, unprovoked and unjustifiable war of one portion of its citizens against another portion, the only conditions of which are perpetual imprisonment and hopeless servitude, or absolute extermination. I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away but with blood.

    Wait, I’m losing my twitter stan, let me start over.

    I, John Brown, remain baffled that anyone who isn’t a slaver or a slave can look at this conflict and feel so strongly that one side’s cause is so just and the other’s so wicked that it demands everyone take the same, extremely strong position.

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      I, John Brown, remain baffled that anyone who isn’t a slaver or a slave can look at this conflict and feel so strongly that one side’s cause is so just and the other’s so wicked that it demands everyone take the same, extremely strong position.

      On the one hand I can agree that slaves have had much difficulty and their situation is unbearable, but the slavemaster too is merely fighting to protect his property; this is actually a very complex issue and we don’t want to see violence enter the picture. Both sides just need to sit down and talk to each other.

      -21st century lib John Brown

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      This guy tried to make an argument that John Brown would support Israel because of the Bible, but the Bible also doesn’t condemn slavery and tells slaves to obey their masters, and John Brown clearly fucking disagreed with that.

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    It’s a totally symmetrical conflict.

    You lefties moan about Israel controlling Palestine’s water supply, but Palestine also surely controls Israel’s water supply.

    Sure Israel just invaded Gaza and told people to flee north Gaza, but Palestine actually also told Israelis to flee north Israel.

    Israel has stolen 77% of the mandated Palestine? Guess what, commies, Palestine has also stolen 77% of Israel.

    and so on.