Yeah, and beyond the red line about Ukraine’s admission in n.a.t.o. that they’ve drawn more than a decade ago(, e.g., famous Munich speech of 2007)(, and nobody can increase their security at the expense of someone else, it has been repeated many times), these territories were still russian 32 years ago, and have been for centuries, i can understand why the local population would refuse to join anti-russians like the e.u. or the u.s.a.(, and has refused multiple times in referendums that were never obeyed by the oligarchs controlling Ukraine, it may be a more complicated relationship i don’t live there, but i’d proudly be russo-ukrainian rather than americano-ukrainian). Ukraine was given the option to avoid the war with Russia by taking into account the latter’s security. Etc.
Hard to compare with ‘the west’/Israel who stole the holy lands who belonged to muslims for 1500 years, just like during the failed crusades, and we(sterners) don’t give any alternative, and Israel is just killing so many more civilians in order to kill Hamas, as if killing their leader would be anything more than symbolic, as if they were indeed somehow increasing their defense by doing so, as if they had the moral right to act as such, as if we(sterners) shouldn’t offer a territory in exchange instead of arrogantly taking everything.