u/11SomeGuy17 - originally from r/GenZhou
It makes sense. There are older marxists who may hold reactionary views because of both the time they were raised and learning Marxism poorly. Younger ones see the system as shit (its hard not to) but already hold certain reactionary views so seeing the older vulgar materialists wrap working class rhetoric with hate speech resonates with them.

u/SnooPaintings9086 - originally from r/GenZhou
Define “reactionary Marxist content”.

If you define “reactionary” as criticising the push of liberalisation of drugs, alcohol, pornography, and the critics of the concept of “fatphobia” and not accepting at face value everything that the liberal American left propose (quasi religious guilt culture for the majority and tribalism of marginalised group with affermative actions, pink and rainbow capitalism and identity politics instead of a materialist analysis of why those groups are marginalised/ commercialised) then I’m a reactionary.

If a gay ML like me understand that the LGBTQ+ movement is not class based and only further the interests and infightings of annoyed western liberal bourgeois, then I’m a reactionary.

I found more acceptance with comrades that didn’t focused on defending a “gay culture” but more my physical and psychological well being as a human being, instead as behaving like a “femboy” caricature of discord.

We can talk about larpers that appropriate Marxist aesthetics in the west. But first clarify what the threat is about.

u/sharingan10 - originally from r/GenZhou
People got annoyed at radlibs and then went too far in their correction and became a right deviation

u/pterygopalatina - originally from r/GenZhou
I’ve never heard this, can you elaborate?

u/TheCoolCorn - originally from r/GenZhou
One factor is selfishness, they support some marxist ideas because they are exploited workers, but they don’t fight other forms of oppression usually because they aren’t the ones oppressed. This is why they are usually white, cis, het, male, etc.

u/HighWaterMarx - originally from r/GenZhou
Sadly it’s always been an element of the white western left (not that it’s only confined to western Marxists). There were plenty of white communists with shit racial and international political views throughout the 20th century. I’m sure their queer politics weren’t great either.

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u/parentis_shotgun - originally from r/GenZhou
Imperial chauvinism infects every political tendency you can find in the imperial core, even those calling themselves marxists. I’ve recorded an audiobook for divided world, divided class, you can find on youtube about this.

[deleted] - originally from r/GenZhou
From my perspective. Most of Reddit users are from Anglosphere and can’t really get some cultural issues. If you’ll talk with, for example, Eastern European socialists they’re most likely not so tolerant to LGBT and Trans. I would not call it reactionary tbh, as it is mostly cultural thing. As another example, you won’t be able to push one same narrative in US and Middle East, it’s practically impossible. So you kinda need to get used to it, there will be tons and tons of types of socialist movements, and most of them will be their cultural representation. Some socialists push one cultural narrative everywhere, which can be locally considered as cultural imperialism, which Anglosphere is pretty used to. Its only opinion of an Easter European tankie.

u/principleofgender - originally from r/GenZhou
Sultan is unstoppable

[deleted] - originally from r/GenZhou
Which people are saying such things? You’ve just pulled it out of your bottom, stop with these slanders.

“Socially conservative” = Chinese/Vietnamese/Soviet/Cuban way. We’re absolutely okay with trans people (and other lgbt folk) existing and doing their thing, but we’re not gonna give them special treatment just because they aggressively demand it…

Every single pushback against their lifestyle comes from their very own actions, pride and anger.

u/RushCultist - originally from r/GenZhou
Western chauvinism and debate bro culture is my guess

u/pope-ron-paul-II - originally from r/GenZhou
lol this thread has some of the most dumbshit takes imaginable. what’s the fear here, that working class people are too fucking stupid to understand transgender people, or that Lenin will somehow disapprove of this from beyond the grave. some of the most moronic uncreative thinking i’ve ever seen in this subreddit.

u/echoesofalife - originally from r/GenZhou
I haven’t seen anything like this. I’ve seen stuff a radlib would equivocate to saying trans people should be purged, like ‘identity politics are used as a lazy weapon to distract from the much more universal class antagonisms’, but nothing like described in OP

u/Azirahael - originally from r/GenZhou
'Kay, lemme explain.

Most of it is misunderstanding.

Here’s why: ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’ are not just political labels.

They are also sociological labels.

A conservative person is less open to new ideas and new experiences. a liberal one is more so.

and like gender and biological characteristics, they USUALLY line up. But not always.

People who are more open to new ideas, and new experiences usually have more broadly liberal politics.

So they see no problem with gay rights, marriage equality, immigration, and all the generally progressive things.

BUT.

This is separate from economics.

And in the west, UK and US especially, these things have been deliberately confused to distract from the economic question.

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In the global south, this is not the case.

So you can have VERY progressive economic policy like communism, totally detached from the usual western progressive baggage, like open acceptance of queer people, and things we in the west think of as socially progressive.

Worse, the west has weaponized queer rights and other such things to attack the south with.

So when they say something like ‘LGBTQ+ rights are an imperialist weapon!’ they have a fucking point.

Now, this is the context.

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Beyond that, there are some people who take this as an excuse to be a commie, and also a shithead when is comes to queer issues.

They assume that because the west has weaponized this issue, that this issue is ONLY an imperialist trick, and therefore wrong.

So they take the context above as an excuse to be shitty on queer issues, while also being a ‘communist.’

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Now, it is possible to be a conservative person, who is also a communist, since we do not choose the brains we are born with. So don’t attack a person for being conservative, and also a communist.

But this also acts as a place where real assholes can find a place.

So places like ‘conservativecommunist’ rapidly turn into holes full of scum.

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hope this explains.