u/Azirahael - originally fromr/GenZhou
'Kay, lemme explain.
Most of it is misunderstanding.
Here’s why: ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’ are not just political labels.
They are also sociological labels.
A conservative person is less open to new ideas and new experiences. a liberal one is more so.
and like gender and biological characteristics, they USUALLY line up. But not always.
People who are more open to new ideas, and new experiences usually have more broadly liberal politics.
So they see no problem with gay rights, marriage equality, immigration, and all the generally progressive things.
BUT.
This is separate from economics.
And in the west, UK and US especially, these things have been deliberately confused to distract from the economic question.
In the global south, this is not the case.
So you can have VERY progressive economic policy like communism, totally detached from the usual western progressive baggage, like open acceptance of queer people, and things we in the west think of as socially progressive.
Worse, the west has weaponized queer rights and other such things to attack the south with.
So when they say something like ‘LGBTQ+ rights are an imperialist weapon!’ they have a fucking point.
Now, this is the context.
Beyond that, there are some people who take this as an excuse to be a commie, and also a shithead when is comes to queer issues.
They assume that because the west has weaponized this issue, that this issue is ONLY an imperialist trick, and therefore wrong.
So they take the context above as an excuse to be shitty on queer issues, while also being a ‘communist.’
Now, it is possible to be a conservative person, who is also a communist, since we do not choose the brains we are born with. So don’t attack a person for being conservative, and also a communist.
But this also acts as a place where real assholes can find a place.
So places like ‘conservativecommunist’ rapidly turn into holes full of scum.
u/AyyItsDylan94 - originally fromr/GenZhou
Really great explanation and that’s pretty much exactly how I feel. Was a bit disappointed by the number of comments assuming I’m a lib who doesn’t get that the West uses these socially liberal things to manufacture consent. My main issue is what you said, that these places become a home for just outright pieces of shit. I totally get how in places like the former eastern bloc communists aren’t these typical SJWs, I’m moreso talking about the westerners that are borderline fascists using Marxist aesthetics. If you’re some privileged white western fuck there’s no excuse to be shitting on trans comrades imo
u/Azirahael - originally from r/GenZhou'Kay, lemme explain.
Most of it is misunderstanding.
Here’s why: ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’ are not just political labels.
They are also sociological labels.
A conservative person is less open to new ideas and new experiences. a liberal one is more so.
and like gender and biological characteristics, they USUALLY line up. But not always.
People who are more open to new ideas, and new experiences usually have more broadly liberal politics.
So they see no problem with gay rights, marriage equality, immigration, and all the generally progressive things.
BUT.
This is separate from economics.
And in the west, UK and US especially, these things have been deliberately confused to distract from the economic question.
In the global south, this is not the case.
So you can have VERY progressive economic policy like communism, totally detached from the usual western progressive baggage, like open acceptance of queer people, and things we in the west think of as socially progressive.
Worse, the west has weaponized queer rights and other such things to attack the south with.
So when they say something like ‘LGBTQ+ rights are an imperialist weapon!’ they have a fucking point.
Now, this is the context.
Beyond that, there are some people who take this as an excuse to be a commie, and also a shithead when is comes to queer issues.
They assume that because the west has weaponized this issue, that this issue is ONLY an imperialist trick, and therefore wrong.
So they take the context above as an excuse to be shitty on queer issues, while also being a ‘communist.’
Now, it is possible to be a conservative person, who is also a communist, since we do not choose the brains we are born with. So don’t attack a person for being conservative, and also a communist.
But this also acts as a place where real assholes can find a place.
So places like ‘conservativecommunist’ rapidly turn into holes full of scum.
hope this explains.
u/AyyItsDylan94 - originally from r/GenZhouReally great explanation and that’s pretty much exactly how I feel. Was a bit disappointed by the number of comments assuming I’m a lib who doesn’t get that the West uses these socially liberal things to manufacture consent. My main issue is what you said, that these places become a home for just outright pieces of shit. I totally get how in places like the former eastern bloc communists aren’t these typical SJWs, I’m moreso talking about the westerners that are borderline fascists using Marxist aesthetics. If you’re some privileged white western fuck there’s no excuse to be shitting on trans comrades imo
u/Azirahael - originally from r/GenZhouYeah. There’s a fine line between being a ‘conservative communist’ and being a POS.
Like, many comrades come from culturally conservative countries, and they are not comfortable with gay rights or whatever.
That’s fine. They don’t get to choose their culture.
But the likes of froggy and Albanian Bolshevik take this as an excuse to be reactionary AF.
And also using Engels to justify their ideas.
Which, he does not.
Just like when CPGB-ML claim that ‘materialism’ supports their views on trans people. Which it does not.
Brains are material, and they determine our gender.
So places like europeansocialists or americassocialists and a couple other subs they own contain a few good points, and a lot of shit.
u/mysharonawooo - originally from r/GenZhou???