u/SnooPaintings9086 - originally fromr/GenZhou
Define “reactionary Marxist content”.
If you define “reactionary” as criticising the push of liberalisation of drugs, alcohol, pornography, and the critics of the concept of “fatphobia” and not accepting at face value everything that the liberal American left propose (quasi religious guilt culture for the majority and tribalism of marginalised group with affermative actions, pink and rainbow capitalism and identity politics instead of a materialist analysis of why those groups are marginalised/ commercialised) then I’m a reactionary.
If a gay ML like me understand that the LGBTQ+ movement is not class based and only further the interests and infightings of annoyed western liberal bourgeois, then I’m a reactionary.
I found more acceptance with comrades that didn’t focused on defending a “gay culture” but more my physical and psychological well being as a human being, instead as behaving like a “femboy” caricature of discord.
We can talk about larpers that appropriate Marxist aesthetics in the west. But first clarify what the threat is about.
u/Professional-Way1833 - originally fromr/GenZhou
Yeah.
There’s more important things to deal with than forcing people to like pride marches or whatever, but there’s also no need to discriminate, or be assholes.
u/SnooPaintings9086 - originally fromr/GenZhou
True, although my question is like:
Is there some cultural or legal battle of the LGBTQ+ community beside physical, psychological, healthcare and workplace protections that didn’t stem from liberal think tank and CIA money in universities?
u/SnooPaintings9086 - originally fromr/GenZhou
As I said, ask to yourselves, what rights lgbt people would really need in a socialist system and what are recreations of bourgeoise morality or anarchy of the market injected forcefully into Marxism.
We all say “we are against weaponisation of LGBT rights” but then ask why those rights can be weaponised.
Also, beside attacking the decency people not fully exposed to western media still have, like “enlightened westerners” always do, do you really think policies about sexuality all over the world is just bi polarity between stoning to death at the mere hearing of some one as gay and fining someone because they invaded they “gaybourhood” with mean tabloids?
u/Professional-Way1833 - originally fromr/GenZhou
It’s like atheism. In an ideal world, with lots of trained critical thinking skills given to everyone, there would be no need for atheists. Because everyone would be an atheist.
Same here. In a socialist world, there would be no pride parades, no special treatment, and no need for special laws to protect any minority. Just a note in the history books as to how things were in the bad old days.
No one would care. Being queer in some form or other would matter about as much as ‘oh, you’re left handed?’
Reminder: back in the day, this could get you killed. Yes, left-handedness.
If any country is giving equal rights, or at least working on it, that’s good enough. Even if they are not fans of pride parades or whatever.
u/SnooPaintings9086 - originally fromr/GenZhou
Yes, sure I could get along this.
I was more talking about the idea western leftists and “communists” have that some incredible things like jeopardize the stability of a society with abolishing and cancelling and inverting everything was a grandious discovery in western universities that no one all over the world in 10k history of humanity got and that the socialist countries out of Europe and America have “still dumb traditions that will die out”, like dressing decently or not being a porn addict or firing people for tweets of 10 years ago.
u/Professional-Way1833 - originally fromr/GenZhou
We seem to be in agreement. Good.
Most sane members of the queer community want to abolish their identity.
We want to live in a world where we are not a separate identity. Where we are just people, and no one cares whether you want to wear pants, or a dress, makeup or not, like penis, vagina, or none, or have one or none.
u/SnooPaintings9086 - originally from r/GenZhouDefine “reactionary Marxist content”.
If you define “reactionary” as criticising the push of liberalisation of drugs, alcohol, pornography, and the critics of the concept of “fatphobia” and not accepting at face value everything that the liberal American left propose (quasi religious guilt culture for the majority and tribalism of marginalised group with affermative actions, pink and rainbow capitalism and identity politics instead of a materialist analysis of why those groups are marginalised/ commercialised) then I’m a reactionary.
If a gay ML like me understand that the LGBTQ+ movement is not class based and only further the interests and infightings of annoyed western liberal bourgeois, then I’m a reactionary.
I found more acceptance with comrades that didn’t focused on defending a “gay culture” but more my physical and psychological well being as a human being, instead as behaving like a “femboy” caricature of discord.
We can talk about larpers that appropriate Marxist aesthetics in the west. But first clarify what the threat is about.
u/Rhaenys_Waters - originally from r/GenZhouIt needs more upvotes
u/Professional-Way1833 - originally from r/GenZhouYeah.
There’s more important things to deal with than forcing people to like pride marches or whatever, but there’s also no need to discriminate, or be assholes.
u/SnooPaintings9086 - originally from r/GenZhouTrue, although my question is like:
Is there some cultural or legal battle of the LGBTQ+ community beside physical, psychological, healthcare and workplace protections that didn’t stem from liberal think tank and CIA money in universities?
u/Professional-Way1833 - originally from r/GenZhouThe main problem as i see it is confusion.
Like, yes the libs weaponize this stuff.
Anyone claiming that ‘The fucking yanks weaponize LGBT+ rights to attack us’ is almost certainly right.
But, that does not change the fact that LGBT+ people should have the same rights as others, and also are often oppressed.
And so when people in the global south say ‘Fucking pride parades are western prop’ it is often taken as ‘gay people should not exist.’
But then there also are people that take that tack.
It’s a mess.
u/SnooPaintings9086 - originally from r/GenZhouAs I said, ask to yourselves, what rights lgbt people would really need in a socialist system and what are recreations of bourgeoise morality or anarchy of the market injected forcefully into Marxism.
We all say “we are against weaponisation of LGBT rights” but then ask why those rights can be weaponised.
Also, beside attacking the decency people not fully exposed to western media still have, like “enlightened westerners” always do, do you really think policies about sexuality all over the world is just bi polarity between stoning to death at the mere hearing of some one as gay and fining someone because they invaded they “gaybourhood” with mean tabloids?
u/Professional-Way1833 - originally from r/GenZhouIt’s like atheism. In an ideal world, with lots of trained critical thinking skills given to everyone, there would be no need for atheists. Because everyone would be an atheist.
Same here. In a socialist world, there would be no pride parades, no special treatment, and no need for special laws to protect any minority. Just a note in the history books as to how things were in the bad old days.
No one would care. Being queer in some form or other would matter about as much as ‘oh, you’re left handed?’
Reminder: back in the day, this could get you killed. Yes, left-handedness.
If any country is giving equal rights, or at least working on it, that’s good enough. Even if they are not fans of pride parades or whatever.
Their country, their rules.
u/SnooPaintings9086 - originally from r/GenZhouYes, sure I could get along this.
I was more talking about the idea western leftists and “communists” have that some incredible things like jeopardize the stability of a society with abolishing and cancelling and inverting everything was a grandious discovery in western universities that no one all over the world in 10k history of humanity got and that the socialist countries out of Europe and America have “still dumb traditions that will die out”, like dressing decently or not being a porn addict or firing people for tweets of 10 years ago.
u/Professional-Way1833 - originally from r/GenZhouWe seem to be in agreement. Good.
Most sane members of the queer community want to abolish their identity.
We want to live in a world where we are not a separate identity. Where we are just people, and no one cares whether you want to wear pants, or a dress, makeup or not, like penis, vagina, or none, or have one or none.