u/AverageUnique - originally from r/GenZhou
They all use pretty much the same system (except maybe DPRK). What makes the USA want to trade with the latter countries but not when it comes to Cuba or DRPK? Thanks in advance

edit: meant embargo instead of sanctions

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    u/Slip_Inner - originally from r/GenZhou
    China, Vietnam, and Laos undertook reforms and allowed markets with state supervision. Much more palatable to western capital than a centrally planned and publicly owned economy

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      u/AverageUnique - originally from r/GenZhou
      Does Cuba and DPRK not want to trade with the USA?

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        u/oxamide96 - originally from r/GenZhou
        It is not about trade. It is about investments, which is a form of taking control of a country.

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        u/Slip_Inner - originally from r/GenZhou
        Given the opportunity, I’m fairly certain they would. But they’re sanctioned to all hell by the US, and don’t want to abandon their Soviet style economies

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    u/JohannesAdams1212 - originally from r/GenZhou
    Capitalists only want profit, and since they control the government of the West, it’s very profitable for them to not sanction China nor Viet Nam so they could tap into the labour forces of these countries and use them for outsourcing labour.

    Cuba and DPRK on the other hand are not as profitable since they do not really allow private enterprises in their country as much as the latter 2.

    For Laos though, I think the West just doesn’t know it exists and if it’s relevant or not. I think we’re just waiting for Laotian Socialism to become even more successful and Western media would create a thing called the “Hmong Genocide” or smth.

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      u/rivainirogue - originally from r/GenZhou
      Oh the West knows about Laos but in 2009 the Obama administration simply declared that Laos had ‘‘ceased to be a Marxist-Leninist country.’’

      So the Marxism understanders over in the White House just made a declaration and then lifted the ban on Laotian companies from getting financing from the U.S. Export-Import Bank.

      So they’re hoping to corrupt the country with capitalistic thought, but so far “in Vientiane, the capital, news of the U.S. policy change was perplexing for Klongmanee Boonliang, an amiable saleswoman in a government-run bookshop. Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin are still best sellers, she said. Every month, schools and offices buy 400 to 500 poster-size portraits of the two men and hang them in prominent places. ‘‘The Smile of Lenin,’’ one of several booklets praising Lenin on the shelves, also sells well.

      ‘‘He was a brave and smart person,’’ she said, offering an impromptu homily to the founder of Soviet communism. ‘‘Everyone wants to get lessons from him. It’s still important.’’

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        [deleted] - originally from r/GenZhou
        Not sure what you mean, do you Bush? He was prez in 03

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          u/3corneredtreehopp3r - originally from r/GenZhou
          The linked article says it was in 2009 (by Obama). I’m assuming it was a typo in the comment, but good catch

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          u/rivainirogue - originally from r/GenZhou
          Oh sorry my bad for the typo

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    u/darkcalling - originally from r/GenZhou
    The west waged a war it lost against one and still controls the puppet in the south and must prevent reunification under socialism. The other it tried to subvert using biological warfare, assassination attempts on Castro, the bay of pigs invasion failure. Castro fooled them at the start into supporting him and this is socialism right under the US’s own nose, 90 miles from Florida, a tiny island they haven’t broken in more than half a century.

    The others it exploited for cheap labor and are far removed.

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      u/useles-converter-bot - originally from r/GenZhou
      90 miles is about the height of 905140.61 ‘Toy Cars Sian FKP3 Metal Model Car with Light and Sound Pull Back Toy Cars’ lined up

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        u/converter-bot - originally from r/GenZhou
        90 miles is 144.84 km

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      u/converter-bot - originally from r/GenZhou
      90 miles is 144.84 km

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    u/Psychological_Log749 - originally from r/GenZhou
    Because there is money to be made in China, Vietnam and Laos, whereas Cuba and especially DPRK are much less tolerant of foreign investement into their economies. DPRK and Cuba serve as an ‘example’ of how terrible socialism supposedly is so they need to do their absolute best to make sure these countries do not succeed.

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      u/dornish1919 - originally from r/GenZhou
      Even with all the sanctions seeing Cuba excel in medicine just puts faith in how powerful they will be when the sanctions lift. Creating vaccines for cancer and HIV under decades of intense embargoes? It’s honestly a crime that they’re unable to trade with anyone else due to American greed and bigotry.

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    u/fairycanary - originally from r/GenZhou
    They thought with market reforms they could turn China into the fall of the USSR, it failed. They thought they could turn Vietnam Capitalist and at least turn against China, but that failed.

    Trump wanted to open NK, but the Dems didn’t because they know NK will never go Capitalist, but without the brutal sanctions they be even more prosperous than SK, and that’s really risky.

    They also need to ensure Cuba stays poor so Latin America doesn’t get any ideas.

    It’s all very strategic.

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      u/cholantesh - originally from r/GenZhou

      They also need to ensure Cuba stays poor so Latin America doesn’t get any ideas.

      I think I remember someone asking why Venezuela has a Maduro and not a Castro and this seems like a really good answer.

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    u/piscator111 - originally from r/GenZhou
    Because Cuba is right next to America, so they get the fuck you in particular treatment, the US won’t stop till they make Cuba a defacto colony.

    DPRK because they’ve got nukes.

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      [deleted] - originally from r/GenZhou
      China also has nukes tho

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        u/piscator111 - originally from r/GenZhou
        The attraction of the Chinese market is too much.

        DPRK not so much.

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    u/Lilyo - originally from r/GenZhou
    China is sanctioned in different ways, for example recently all products manufactured in Xinjiang have been banned for import. Theres also sanctions against individuals and military, as well as other things to economically impact China, like banning US citizens from investing in Chinese companies. US wont sanction Vietnam because they know they have to play nice with them to counter China, same with Laos. If they sanction them they will move closer to China.

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      u/dornish1919 - originally from r/GenZhou
      Lmao they sanction Xinjiang? Wtf? How does that even hurt PRC? If anything it hurts the people of Xinjiang more than anything. It’s this flawed logic of “lets help the people by hurting them” that disgusts me about the USA.

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    u/oxamide96 - originally from r/GenZhou
    China is sanctioned now, actually. The reason why it is less is because the US got close to China to counter the USSR. But the USSR is no more and now China is the threat. I don’t know enough about Laos, but Vietnam has made minor concessions to Western capital like China did before, and the US now tries to get close to Vietnam to counter China.

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    u/dornish1919 - originally from r/GenZhou
    I just want to clarify that politically and economically, while their foundations are ML, they have all evolved quite differently. Vietnam and PRC, for example, are quite different.