“In most cases, those who want power probably shouldn’t have it, those who enjoy it probably do so for the wrong reasons, and those who want most to hold on to it don’t understand that it’s only temporary.”

― John C. Maxwell

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To the question, it is not that ‘’I want to hang out with other hateful people’’ In fact, I do not at all. Majority with who I spent time with (real life and online) are left-leaning.

I was just curious if there are any conservative place without the hate but, it seems not. I thought Lemmy was a bit different in the sense that, I could question such a thing but to my surprise – I cannot.

Majority here freaks out about the question and start to hate. You have an different opinion than the majority here? Hate and downvotes it will be, just like Reddit. Which is fine, it’s online and anonymity does its job (I suppose lol).

People here perceive me suddenly ‘’hateful & bigot’’ due to 1 different opinion and 1 question which is funny to be honest. Even more funnier with the fact that, I actually have friends who are in LGBTQ and/or are in different political mindset, religion etc. The ‘’issue’’ I’m having is that I do not really fit either of the spectrum. Not Left nor Right, each time I end up in the middle (Centrum right). Therefore I was wondering how the right-side would be without the focus on hating but it seems, no luck to that.

Hope this answers the question. If not, feel free to tell and I will retry to explain it.

It wasn’t that you didn’t believe her, its your complete dismissal of everyone who disagreed with you as “making it personal”. You behave like a stereotypical conservative. You act as though you’re the only person who can see it clearly and objectively, when it’s pretty obvious from the outside that you can only imagine the situation from his perspective.

I’m referring to all conservative communities as abusive. You can’t find one that isn’t hateful because that’s what conservatives are.

If you wanted to lay out some of your beliefs I could tell you generally where you would align stateside, but you seem to not want to actually discuss what you believe.

It is sexism to make it out to be a “he said she said” situation when a man says it was okay for him to kiss a woman and she says it was something she did not want. You disregard her personal autonomy when you say that him claiming she wanted it is as valid as her stating she did not.

If I hit you in the face with my fist claiming you wanted it, should I get off the hook since as you deem “no one can tell whether you wanted me to do it or not”?

For anyone wondering the “soccer incident” refers to his bad take on Luis Rubiales kissing Jenni Hermoso without permission.

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Oh look, a conservative that doesn’t belive in consent.

What a surprise.

I read his comments and judged him based on how he choose to present himself. I think thats a pretty fair way to make assumptions about a person, based on their words. I responded accordingly and advised him that if he didn’t feel he fit in that category he may want to reconsider how he identify his beliefs.

Also, learn about the tolerance paradox and you’ll understand why the left are currently so strongly against the right. Also, the left is making great gains in the US, the right is the side losing seats.

You don’t have to tolerate intolerance.

It annoys me, and it’s not a good look, but to a point, I can understand what’s behind it.

In the past, conservatives had a greater respect for education and fair debate. There was more tolerance for moderate views. In recent years, things have gotten increasingly emotional and extreme. I can attribute some of the disrespect to frustration with that change.

You’re right, though - this IS a politely posed question. None of what I was talking about above applies in this specific case. It’s inappropriate to attack OP for their beliefs when they’re going out of their way to be diplomatic.

That’s interesting, because most examples of reasonable conservatism I can think of come from before the internet was widespread, which applies directly to the availability of evidence and the ease of citing it. Hmm!

The conservative hate of yesteryear was so much more respectable

Similar to the other poster you’re replying to, I am also American, and my statement will be colored by that experience. Fair warning.

I don’t think you’re a bad person. And that’s quite a statement, because there are a great many American conservatives that I can say with no reservations are objectively bad people. I think you teeter on the edge with the “traditional family” thing, because that’s extremely often a dog whistle for people that want to exterminate LGBT and trans folks, but at least based on your statements here it doesn’t seem like you’re in that camp.

I think you want to look elsewhere for your community, because conservatism as a movement, as a whole cares very little about what you care about (minding one’s own business, ensuring basic human rights regardless of ethnicity or other factors, personal reward for personal achievement) and cares very much about things you don’t seem to be on board with (repressive religious law, disenfranchisement or even outright kidnapping and murder of LGBT, racism, defrauding voters and government offices in order to line ones own pockets, ensuring deaths of vulnerable mothers via slashing legality of birth control or abortion methods) - just to name a few.

Conservatism, as a whole, is primarily rooted around having an in-group that can be pandered to and having an out-group that can be blamed. They are largely uninterested in proper governance and entirely uninterested in human rights. Every move that is made, is made in service of consolidating power at the cost of human life. In the words of respected political scientist Francis Wilhoit, “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” This pattern can be observed over hundreds or thousands of years of human history.

If you want to find yourself on the right side of history the time is now. Leave the conservative circles behind and find one that actually espouses the ideas you care about. I doubt you’d find common ground in the sort of American Liberal circles that I find myself at home in, but there are options. There are as many political ideologies as there are people. But the more you attach yourself to one, the more they will in turn rub off on you.

I also do believe more in the traditional family kind of thing (husband working, wife taking care of the household and both of them taking care of the children).

What if the family has two dads? Or two moms?

I might suggest Islam focused groups. You’d probably agree with a majority of the people there, and religious communities are typically more supportive of each other than political communities.

Wait. You want to live in a traditional family structure, or you want to impose it on everyone else?

I am in a heterosexual marriage, with many children. But I don’t think it’s the only way to live and don’t judge others for arranging their lives differently. So I am liberal/progressive.

And I personally feel lucky to be alive at all, and do not think anyone deserves anything. But the unfairness baked into the system here distorts the world. You could only be ‘conservative’ in the sense of thinking people get what they work for, in a world where everyone had the same starting line and tools. We don’t live in that world.

Well you certainly aren’t wrong about that.

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I think the parent meant that you can quickly block all the Nazis and be done with them forever?