A US State Department report that accuses the Chinese government of expanding disinformation efforts is “in itself disinformation,” Beijing’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs claimed Saturday.
The ministry shot back after the State Department issued a striking report this week in which it accused the Chinese government of expanding efforts to control information and to disseminate propaganda and disinformation that promotes “digital authoritarianism” in China and around the world.
The US report, issued by the Global Engagement Center on Thursday, alleged that China spends billions of dollars a year on foreign information manipulation and warned that Chinese leader Xi Jinping had “significantly expanded” efforts to “shape the global information environment.”
It also underlined US concerns about China as a main military competitor and key rival in the battle over ideas and global disinformation.
Fits this to a T.
T as in Trumpist
This is exactly what I was looking for.
No u
Nuh uh
I feel like we could all save a lot of money on diplomats and ministers by just getting a bunch of toddlers to shout “no u” at each other until the end of time.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The ministry shot back after the State Department issued a striking report this week in which it accused the Chinese government of expanding efforts to control information and to disseminate propaganda and disinformation that promotes “digital authoritarianism” in China and around the world.
The US report, issued by the Global Engagement Center on Thursday, alleged that China spends billions of dollars a year on foreign information manipulation and warned that Chinese leader Xi Jinping had “significantly expanded” efforts to “shape the global information environment.”
It also underlined US concerns about China as a main military competitor and key rival in the battle over ideas and global disinformation.
“The relevant center of the US State Department which concocted the report is engaged in propaganda and infiltration in the name of ‘global engagement’ – it is a source of disinformation and the command center of ‘perception warfare’,” the ministry said on Saturday.
Referring to wars in Iraq and Syria as well as US reports alleging human rights abuses in China’s Xinjiang as examples, the ministry claimed that the US is “an ‘empire of lies’ through and through.”
“No matter how the US tries to pin the label of ‘disinformation’ on other countries, more and more people in the world have already seen through the US’s ugly attempt to perpetuate its supremacy by weaving lies into ‘emperor’s new clothes’ and smearing others,” the ministry said.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
US says China is spewing disinformation.
“No u” Says China.
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Good guy!
I feel like this would be easier to settle if the report came with specific examples of narratives originating from Chinese troll farms with metadata supporting their general origin.
Shit even pegging it to tankies known to be sympathetic to the CCP would probably be sufficient
US does the same thing, they just use Israel as a proxy.
He jas a point
It is so funny that US does propaganda like this, because there is so much shit happening in and because of countries like China, Russia and North Korea. Why doesn’t US talk about the genocide? Why doesn’t US talk about public executions (oh wait I know the answer to this one), why doesn’t US talk about concentration camps (oh I know this one too), why the duck does US have to have shitty disinformation propaganda like North Korea forcing specific haircuts instead. There is so much shit happening because in these corrupt areas, and lies about haircuts is the thing they want to focus on.
I’ve always found it hilarious when people try to point at a person’s shitty past as evidence to say their own actions are somehow okay or not that bad.
Has the US committed genocide on a national scale? Ask the native Americans who are ALLOWED to stay on broken down, often desolate reservations, and the literal millions of Buffalo slaughtered for the sole purpose of taking away their food supply to starve them out.
But that doesn’t for a second excuse other countries doing similar things. We know how fucked up that is, we’re not the same country we were 150 years ago. We’re not even the same country we were 15 years ago.
I know YOU aren’t saying the US can’t talk about things like that, but it’s often seen “but WHAT ABOUT blah blah blah” and your comment reminded me of it. You’re probably right though, a lot of people in the US don’t like talking about those things, and REALLY don’t like it when you point out their own country has done many of the things we supposedly fight against. Hopefully it’s been a long time since those things happen, but all too often you see it happening in some small way still today.
Everyone fucked up is my motto.
I really believe both can play the same game. Both the western and the east block can do propaganda.
US/ CIA was the… mastermind of many collapses of communist government during the cold war. I’m Chinese Indonesian and we are definitely one of victims of such acts.
You can always tell where disinformation is coming from when they don’t allow you to talk about whether what they are saying is or isn’t disinformation. And I say this knowing how draconian some moderators have become regarding handling of disinformation because that ends up fostering an environment of disinformation itself, just one that begins growing as a seed from another recess.
The real threat isn’t good faith discourse, it’s the propaganda disinformation factories that try to turn money into a way to subvert societies by twisting and corrupting social media and the people they convince to leave good faith discourse.
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@goldenlocks @MicroWave
Zelensky is clearly not the only one to decide here, this is not russia, so keep your insults for yourself
when do we go to war with eurasia?
This might help someone.
Another case of projection. At least they’re honest about why they are projecting, they’re losing their grip on monopolizing the global stage.
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i might switch to connect
It’s a right of passage.
The US would never dream of trying to “shape the global information environment”. Right guys ?
Gettin real sick of the forum sliding into “but America bad too” every time there’s a post about China doing shady shit on here.
EDIT: Two days after making this comment I’m still getting replies from Chinese propaganda trolls lol. Making it easy to add to my block list I guess.
I mean, it’s relevant to the article. It’s not “but America” when “US” is the beginning of the headline… ?? 🤨
I’m not saying that the US State Dept report is false, but it also absolutely would not be the first time the state department has put out a false report. And they intentionally release reports - true or false - in a concerted effort to shape information and public opinion.
America absolutely spends countless taxpayer dollars on propaganda, and CNN, which is part of a multi-billion-dollar corporation that serves the interests of shareholders, advertisers, and lawmakers is absolutely part of that propaganda machine.
Again, not saying China is the good guy or that we should take their word here. But the US also isn’t the good guy, and I think we should take State Dept. press releases with a grain of salt.
The comment you replied to was perfectly relevant and accurate, and was just someone making a quip about US propaganda efforts.
But apparently a Canadian knows better, so keep telling us about how US propaganda isn’t relevant in world politics, thanks.
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Bad propaganda troll
Cool.
I’m getting sick of idiots chastising China for what the US does.
Guess we both have to deal with it, huh?
But you don’t get sick of the endless “China bad” articles, huh?
Lol endless? I maybe see a few posts a week about China while the majority of my feed is American politics and American tech ragebait articles. And I never see people like you on those posts saying “wEll wHaT aBoUt ChInA!!1!”.
Probably because the American political articles are highly specific about American issues (e.g. abortion, debt ceiling, guns, etc). Meanwhile articles like these are all about bashing China for doing what the US does even harder.
No, china is endlessly bad. If you think otherwise youre dumb and should just move to a tofudreg highrise in china.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfside_condominium_collapse
“It’s only bad when china does it.” - you
It happened once somewhere else, so it’s not a problem that its a real problem in china - you
I never said it wasn’t a problem in China.
It’s a problem anywhere it happens, that’s where you and I diverge.
Hence my original point of: “It’s only bad when China does it” -you
No, it’s bad and a Chinathing because in China it is common enough to have it’s own neologism.
It is common. It is widespread. It is being censored by the CCP.The US doesnt ban articles talking about highrises collapsing because of corruption.
Hilarious. I joined lemmy because of the thousands of anti China posts all over reddit. So obviously state department influenced.
And I’m guessing you joined lemmy.world because hexbear kept getting defederated? Go back there
This person has a different perspective on world politics and propaganda efforts by the US, therefore they are a tankie.
This is the kind of one-sided, idiotic comment that leads to stifling of actual discussion of geopolitical issues like this, where different perspectives are much needed in this hyper-radicalized landscape.
You are directly contributing to the kind of radicalism that you so despise, because you react to a comment based on emotion and pre-judgement, rather than actually thinking critically about what is being said and responding with helpful criticism or perspective. Fucking hypocrite, shame on you.
What is hexbear? I’ve seen it mentioned but nice try assuming about me. You made an ass out of yourself.
Haha I made an ass of myself? K
Yeah, you did.
That’s what happens when you assume. I’m new here I don’t know what hexbear is, I googled it and it’s another instance? Sure I’ll go check it out I guess
🤡
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The people are split on your comment… Have fun watching CNN uncritically.
It’s absurd. The article is literally about US and Chinese propaganda, and a comment making a quip about US propaganda gets downvoted and called irrelevant.
Yuuup, nobody sipping propaganda here. And get called a tankie for wanting more rational thought and actual discussion than “China bad”.
Pretty clear the bots from r/worldnews have set up shop here as well
Unfortunately those rats have set up base here too. If it’s one thing the US is good at, it’s at setting up bases everywhere.
Yeah I believe it. It’s nice they can’t ban me though. r/worldnews banned me seconds after I pointed out the top three articles of the day were from Radio Free Asia.
Of course not! America is democratic and free, see, it’s written in this here Constitution so it must be true.
Dear, thank you for read this one. Understand we American make more lie for pleasure and entertaining. Not chinese lie. China always with great truth.
Make Glory for America Again, fellow american!
Brooo 💀
This has to be a joke. I’m in stitches LMAO
“fellow American!” 🤣 pleeeaase
I take it English is a second language for you, comrad.
there was a post on reddit over the weekend around a current political issue (upcoming referendum vote) on a clearly photoshopped/stock image of ballot paper, but all the ‘No’ voter comments were filled with commentary on the users handwriting being ‘childish’, followed by heaps of upvotes. overseas trolls exposed so blatently easily they couldnt tell what was a joke and what wasnt, despite the polls indicating ‘no’ is ahead, really made it obvious how the overwhelming position online of ‘no’ is driven in a great bulk by overseas influence (hi russia/china)
The US has found a really good dog whistle for “opinions and facts I disagree with.” Everything is disinformation! Some of it is Democrat disinformation (“fake news”), some of it is Republican disinformation (“wrong”), and some of it is foreign disinformation (“makes other country look good and America look bad”). Welcome to the state of modern American journalism, I guess.
For what it’s worth, China doesn’t really need to spend billions of dollars on disinformation abroad because (1) The Great Firewall exists (so foreign disinformation has no domestic impact), (2) China has almost always adopted the “actions speak louder than words” strategy that better aligns with Chinese culture, and (3) China has also taken that view on foreign policy in that it uses the actions of other countries to determine their positions rather than their stated views.
Frankly, a lot of people are applying Western views on Chinese culture without taking a step back and asking themselves WHY there’s such a big gap between what they expect and reality.
disinformation has no domestic impact
Ow, my head.
A significant contributor to the deadliest man-made disaster in the history of mankind was domestic disinformation in China.
Edit: I misread the comment and didn’t see the preceding word ‘foreign’. In hindsight my original comment doesn’t make sense given this context. I don’t agree with OP’s comment though. They seem to rely on the idea that, ‘China is special and unique (unlike you troglodytes)’, as an explanation for how the government behaves in international politics.
I think a different poster explained the CCP’s sophisticated methodology better: “no u”.
They were clearly referring to online foreign disinformation, not domestic disinformation.
Yeah, my bad. It’s clear I got stuck on that one point.
Precisely. Everyone has domestic disinformation, but it’s a domestic issue.
That has no relation to the issue of foreign disinformation. Whataboutism, much?
The only reason why they would block “foreign disinformation” is absolutely not so that they don’t need to spread misinformation themselves. It’s so that their disinformation has no competition.
Again, that’s a domestic issue and not a foreign one.
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This is the main source used for the article.
The US report, issued by the Global Engagement Center on Thursday, alleged that China spends billions of dollars a year on foreign information manipulation and warned that Chinese leader Xi Jinping had “significantly expanded” efforts to “shape the global information environment.”
Hideo Kojima was right.
He predicted all of this in MGS2.
“Nobodies ever invalidated, but nobody is ever right either.” Referring to how you can pick and choose what you want to believe and find no shortage of information on the internet to support or debunk it.
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