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    4 years ago

    I really wouldnt get my hopes up for Germany to do that. Almost all the politicians have very tight links to the USA, and no reason to change that.

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      It seems like the public opinion has turned heavily against US, especially after Trump. It’s likely that politicians who keep promoting strong ties with US will not be doing well going forward.

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        Public opinion is one thing, but CDU/CSU/SPD who are in government now still have over 50% of votes in polls, and as long as they are in power, not much is gonna change.

        https://dawum.de/Bundestag/

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          Sure, but the system isn’t nearly as rigged as US and there’s proportional representation, so public opinion actually can make a difference here.

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            Even in countries with alternative voting systems or grouping systems besides first past the post or winner take all, they haven’t managed to be a challenge to bourgeois democracy. Japan ( which also has proportional representation ), and australia ( proportional and uses ranked choice voting ) both have right wing / neoliberal govs. You might be able to blame capitalist control over media for that one, who are going to give vetted pro capitalist candidates the airtime and legitimacy.

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              Oh I don’t expect any challenge to the bourgeoisie democracy to happen. I just think that the factions that want to align closer with Russia and China instead of US are going to prevail because China has the best economic prospects going forward.

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            I doubt it. But there will be an election this autumn, so we will see.

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              Yeah, going to be interesting to see if there’s a shift. I think economic aspect is worth considering as well here. China is going to be a much more reliable economic partner going forward, and a lot of business interests are already pushing for a realignment towards China.

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                True, the car industry is extremely important and powerful in Germany. They have pushed against the “uighur genocide” propaganda, because they dont want to risk their profits in China.