Not just ANY bail bond joint, “A 2nd Chance Bail Bonds” in Atlanta.
People often say they’re just waiting for him to flip on Trump. Giuliani is broke, Trump disdains him, etc…
The prosecutors aren’t interested in what he has to say. There are better witnesses, more reliable witnesses who have corroborated all the facts already.
The prosecutors do not need this shell of a man to flip.
Yeah, but it’ll still be fun to watch all the worms turn on each other.
This. Trump is the main culprit and threat, so he’s priority.
But taking down a corrupt former mayor? That’s a feather in anyone’s cap too.
At this rate they don’t need anyone to “flip”. At the end of the day these morons got busted doing illegal shit and there is more than enough evidence that they don’t need someone else’s testimony. Flip or not then are fucked.
To quote Giuliani himself, He has insurance, and knows where the bodies are buried. There are likely
extemporaneouscontemporaneous notes of items of interestMaybe Trump has dirt on Rudy? He could be holding something over his head that would ruin him even more
Nah not Trump, Russians.
Why not both?
He won’t flip, or else GRU will release the CP tapes.
Rudy is the “true believer.” I dont think he’ll ever turn on Trump.
I don’t think so. I think he’s just an opportunistic weasel. But I could be wrong
Lmao no, no one of his bootlickers believe in him. Not even Gaetz. When push comes to shove is everyone for themselves. Although, the Four Season Landscaping fiasco (still get a good laugh at that one) make me question his sanity.
Plus I have to imagine that lawyers such as Jack Smith and those on his team have a deep loathing for corrupt attorneys like Giuliani and would love to see him brought to justice.
Knowing how hard even with a ton of evidence it will be to convict Trump He may not even have been offered a deal. He’s not a president but still a very high level political operative. He might be the biggest fish to fry.
Should’ve chosen Four Seasons Bail Bonds.
He deserves all the ridicule in the world for this, as well as anyone else involved in this scheme to overthrow a duly elected government. I will gleefully watch this trial and not feel bad about enjoying it whatsoever.
If he really has to use bonds man, things are not looking too good for him. At this point he has to consider whether cooperating is the better option or not, right?
It seems to me that this will escalate rather quickly between them.
Yeah, he’s out of money. Trying to sell a house for 6.5 mil. Begging Trump for cash which isn’t coming.
Only a matter of time…
Keep squeezing him. His position is untenable and he will eventually break for cover.
As soon as he realizes the RICO charge carries a 5 year MINIMUM sentence and he’s 79 years old… If he goes up, he’s never seeing the outside again.
That’s just one charge against him, he’s got 12 more after that…
He knows. He practically invented it.
So he’s probably really eating shit now he’s getting charged under it.
Now where’s my popcorn?
What a beautiful case of irony
Rudy is done for if he doesn’t flip and flip hard. Trump will be a much more difficult fight but if Rudy showed up with receipts it would totally change the equation.
Zero chance Rudy doesn’t spend time behind bars if he doesn’t make a deal.
If I were trump I’d be ensuring I keep guys like him real close. He knows the whole story and could blow the case wide open.
He’s fucked regardless. There’s no flipping. His testimony is worthless. He’d have better luck creating a time machine and going back to stop himself from trying to overturn an election.
I’m willing to donate to the Time Machine fund
Prosecution doesn’t need him. Rudy has lied and contradicted himself so often you simply couldn’t put him on the stand. His testimony would be impeached within minutes. So his only value would be if he could provide background information that wasn’t available through other means. Well they have all of his electronic devices (18 from his apartment alone!), all of his texts and emails, what else can he offer?
At this point he has to consider whether cooperating is the better option or not, right?
That would be the smart option, not the Republican one.
Uh-oh. He isn’t rich anymore. According to Trump, that means he’s automatically a loser. Guess he won’t be getting any support from the orange guy anymore, not that he was getting much.
As someone not from America, and having never gone to jail, what is this?
Someone has already explained the mechanics of bail to you but from a cultural perspective it’s important to note that someone going to one of these storefront bail bondsmen is interpreted as a sign that you are
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in an awful lot of trouble
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probably a person to avoid because your problems will have a tendency to become my problems
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broke enough that you’re willing to pay punitive interest in order to stay out of jail
Normally I’d be all on my soapbox about how the bail system essentially means that poor people get punished more for the same crimes and shit like that but this guy really is an absolute monster. Back in the 90s everyone loved him for “cleaning up New York City” using the twin powers of aggressively racist policing and violence against homeless people. After 9/11 they all but made him a saint, started calling him “America’s Mayor” and shit like that, but those of us who had been paying attention knew that he was a shit leader and a shit person who was benefiting from the fact that we needed someone to rally behind after the tragedy that was the 9/11 attacks. Watching him be exposed for the grifter and criminal that he always was has been cathartic for a lot of people.
To expand on why this isn’t a good look - bail bondsmen typically charge a non-refundable 10% of bail. So if you’re a former mayor who shit on your own legacy by trying to overthrow the government and your bail is set at $150,000 that means you’re paying a bail bondsman $15,000 that you won’t get back ever. That $15,000 is a fee that they apply in case they need to hire a bounty hunter to drag your delinquent ass to court.
A person usually tries pretty hard to raise bail without paying a bondsman because they don’t want to lose that 10%. So this is basically the equivalent of Giuliani going to a Payday Loans lender to get an advance on his paycheck at a predatory rate.
Yeah just thought the pay day loans comparison from another comment.
So so you get your bond back normally if you don’t break the terms of the bond? And this way they lose that deposit but they may only have 15k not 150k.
Yeah normally you get the full amount of bail back from the court. The 10% fee is what a bondsman charges as interest / risk of your fleeing.
Yeah, The problem isn’t the bondsman. A 10% fee to front $100k that could go poof if the perp decides to flee is reasonable, imo. The problem is cash bail in the first place. The only time it should be used is if there’s a reasonable risk of the person fleeing. Instead we use it for each and every criminal regardless, just to fuck them over.
I’m not going to flee the country cause I got busted with a little weed but they’ll still stick you with a $5000 bond. Not to mention people that are wrongly arrested and charged. They have to come up with a ton of money, pay a bondsman, or sit in jail. All because some asshole cop decided to wrongly arrest you.
Ah thanks. So this is like a pay day loan lender but for bail bonds?
Yeah, more or less. You only go to them when your other option is to sit in jail while you lose your job, car and house awaiting the opportunity to prove your innocence.
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Basically, if you are deemed not a risk to the community/flight risk(all arguable in this case but they did set them bail amounts), the courts give you a sum based on your accused offense you can pay to get out of jail till the trial date. If you show up to trial you get the bail amounts back, if you don’t you get a warrant and the courts keep your money. Where bail “bonds” come into play, is they are companies acting as pseudo banks who will lend you money to make bail with interest obviously. It’s very predatory because the only people who generally have to use these are poor people and the states don’t care about poor criminals enough to make it not so predatory.
I haven’t seen bonds work like that (but I don’t doubt some do). The way they work around me is:
- You get a bond for $2000
- You go to a bail bondsman and give them the paperwork
- You pay 15% of your bond to them ($300 in this case)
- That’s it. They keep your $300 and they post your $2000 bail. You don’t get your $300 back when you go to court. But you also don’t get hunted down by a bounty hunter and you don’t get additional charges
for skippingas long as you show up for your court date.
edit: my brain stopped working on point 4 as pointed out by @Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world
But you also don’t get hunted down by a bounty hunter and you don’t get additional charges for skipping your court date.
Oh you absolutely do get hunted down by a bounty hunter and get additional charges for skipping your court date. Bail Bondsmen don’t take kindly to losing money because you skipped bail. If you could avoid additional charges and getting hunted down, everybody would just run to their local bail bondsman, drop 10%, and then just skip town.
Sorry, that was worded very poorly on my part. I don’t even know what I was trying to say there but it should be “as long as you show up for your court date.” I think I forgot what I was typing out halfway through that sentence, hahaha.
Edit: I just figured out what happened. That was meant to be a continuation from the first sentence, not a separate thought. Rearranged and commas added for clarity: You don’t get your $300 back, you don’t get hunted down by a bounty hunter, and you don’t get additional charges for skipping out when you show up on your court date(s).
Great post and explanation.
Worth also noting the amount varies for state/federal/immigration-related bonds (generally increasing from 10/15/20%). This can vary by state law, too.
It can also vary depending on the size of the bond. A $200,000 bond may have a higher percentage than a $2,000.
Getting in lots of trouble is much more expensive than getting into little bits of trouble, in one of the few progressively-structured aspects of our criminal justice system.
Also worth noting it’s probably only progressively-structured because the constitution requires it, via the 8th amendment.
Cheers, definitely predatory. Not a good look for him then.
And yet he still had the resources to fly in on a private jet…
He’s no dummy. He doesn’t want to forfeit his own money if he decides to skip out…
“Four Seasons Total Bail Bonds”
I don’t think anybody’s losing it over Giuliani getting what he deserves
At least Sunday is biscuits and gravy day in Atlanta jailhouses.
Americas Mistake.
I mean it is a big deal, oddly though I don’t feel all that satisfied I’m just trusting that the professionals are handling it and I trust that the right outcome will eventually prevail
One of his co-defendants is a bail bondsman - no need to leave the intake area to find one!