flat out fucking terrorists
Always have been
FTA:
“These jurors have signed their death warrant by falsely indicting President Trump,” read one post on a pro-Trump forum in response to a post including the names of jurors, which was viewed by NBC News."
What about second indictment, Pip?
I mean, honestly, the FBI or relevant SBI needs to go dig these losers out of their trailer park and throw the book at them. We cannot tolerate traitors and fascists. These people are just begging for the FO stage.
Even just intimidating jurors is bad enough. Juries are the only thing keeping the courts from running roughshod through democracy is they chose to.
I’m sure after a year and a half Garland will allow the FBI to think about taking a look.
This was downvoted. Just pointing that out.
How did they even get this information? Shouldn’t this be pretty closely guarded? I assume there are maybe a few dozen people with their hands on it…
The names are public. Per Georgia Code Title 17. Criminal Procedure § 17-7-54 it looks like they’re spelled out as part of the standard form that indictments take. Addresses aren’t that hard to get once you know the name.
That’s just fucked up. It’s like nothing in the US is considering privacy.
You’re just asking for mob bosses to start killing or threatening jurors.
Most of our justice system relies on people participating in good faith. Turns out that’s a shitty way to hold people accountable
Well thanks for the information. I would have guessed at least in a case like this it would be semi-private at least.
I understand the need for transparency, but I guess the people abusing that are typically breaking the law anyway.
I’m going to say this so those of you in the back can hear me:
HISTORICALLY THERE’S ONLY ONE WAY TO STOP FASCISTS.
And you can bet your ass they will push it to that. Historically speaking of course …
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With a guitar?
Or a book?
Ballot box?
Soapbox?
Maybe some other type of box will do it…
Domestic terrorism.
Violence that results from citizens being doxxed for engaging with their civic duties should carry harsh mandatory minimum sentences. This is not the same as “protesting” against government officials. They are literally engaging in stochastic terrorism, and attempting to foment domestic terrorism in the process.
What the fuck is wrong with these people, and how do we deal with this in any other way than removing them from society so they cannot harm their fellow citizens.
The only way to break these people out of their echo chambers is to enact anti-cult tactics. Trying to get someone out of a cult is an extremely hard thing to do. When it’s 30% of a country’s citizens, however, it may be impossible. If Capitol Police testimony, video evidence, and other MAGA members speaking out couldn’t break the spell, what will insulting them and their beliefs prove?
I don’t have the solutions to fix this and I loathe the MAGA cult, but the harder you insult, point out hypocrisy, and humiliate these supporters, the deeper into the cult they retreat. This is seen time and time again with friends and family who attempt to help someone escape an obvious cult or religion.
I am 100% in the “punch a Nazi in the face” crowd, but what we need to do is treat these people like they have been brainwashed, rather than them making the conscious decision to support fascist rhetoric. To them, in their cult, we are the outsider trying to prosecute their leader and destroy their beliefs and way of life.
You will never out-debate them in their beliefs. You will never insult them into leaving. And treating them all like the enemy is exactly what their leaders are telling them you will think.
I’m not saying every MAGA member is possible of redemption, but the most success we may find, to remove this fascist rot is with those who were deep in and have found their way out. The call to leave needs to come from “inside the house,” so to speak.
I’m too tired to respond to this fully right now, but I will try to do so later. For now, I will just say that I agree with your general premise, and the few things I have a slight disagreement with may not be important enough to quibble over unless you care for a formal explanation. Also, thanks for your well thought out response.
I appreciate you (and others who may not have bothered to comment) for not immediately jumping to the, “this guy’s a fascist sympathizer,” because I don’t think the emotional responses to this will bring about rational change.
It’s refreshing to see someone put into more articulate words what I’ve been feeling for so long. You cannot fight these people out of their delusions. My fear is that the next time they lose an election, they’ll all just take their ball and go home, so to speak. Fracturing the country and creating one or several new nations run by despots and increasingly impoverished as the years go on. I really hope I’m not stuck living in or adjacent to an American North Korea in 30 years, but that’s how things are looking.
We should treat them as the law suggest we treat terroristic traitors to America.
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Laugh all you want, but it fits the definition perfectly. The fact you are too fucking disingenuous to see that is your problem, not mine. Facts don’t care about your feelings, remember?
What does it matter if it fits the definition of a stupid idea
Do you even have a point?
Sounds like something a terrorist sympathizer would say.
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Talk Radio Fox News Online bullshit
That’s pretty much it.
I say it like 10 times a day, fucking propaganda is a cancer on society…
It’s even more infuriating to see chucklefucks like Hannity make millions off of the destruction of our social fabric. They’ve created an alternate reality where they inject fear and hatred directly into your brain 24/7 and profit off of it.
Fuck man… I get capitalism isn’t inherently evil, but FUCK does it incentivise the everyloving shit out of it… Do evil, get paid. Murica!
Best case they’re stupid and gullible, worst case they’re hateful and broken.
There are a lot of books and articles on the fall of the Weimar Republic to the Nazis. This is LITERALLY textbook.
Historical fact: During WWII we used to give medals for killing fascists.
Literally terrorists.
Those people need special protection now. Holy fuck this is bad.
What a bunch of jackasses.
Bet it was the same group that was pissed about protests at the Supreme Court Justice’s houses, too.
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One of those groups is protesters peacefully opposing a public official. The other is seeking to harass and intimidate, possibly assault or injure, jurors. That’s not turnabout.
Not when it comes to fascists, no.
Ok, next protest’s at your house ;)
Awesome. I’ll buy the beer.
Protesting peacefully is an important civic virtue, regardless of your beliefs, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
You protest government figures. You don’t protest people doing their civic duty,
Edit: I thought you were that Momo guy. You’re not. Point stands but any aggression is not aimed at you
This is literally apologetics for terrorism.
So?
Who would have had access to this information? I bet this leak could be traced back to someone on Trump’s defense team if we investigated hard enough
It’s public information by GA law
Grand jurors addresses and phone numbers are most definitely not public information
Give me your name and the state you live in and I could probably find your address, phone number, age, the name of your spouse, siblings and other family members, maiden name (if applicable), previous addresses, and even arrests, with about 10-30 minutes of googling and using only the top 1-3 results. Unless your name is John Smith or something very common, then it would be much more difficult. So, yes, it is public information and nobody has to have had to leak it.
As a Smith with a common first name, it usually sucks but I’m happy when it sometimes causes me to have some anonymity. If gone to pay my tab before and given my last name and there’s multiple Smiths, which is fairly common. Then I give my first name and there’s still more than one. It’s somewhat annoying in that case, but good luck looking me up online.
Phone books exist. That’s public info.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
ATLANTA — The purported names and addresses of members of the grand jury that indicted Donald Trump and 18 of his co-defendants on state racketeering charges this week have been posted on a fringe website that often features violent rhetoric, NBC News has learned.
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis faced racist threats ahead of the return of the indictment and additional security measures were put in place, with some employees being allowed to work from home.
The grand juror’s purported addresses were spotted by Advance Democracy, Inc., a non-partisan research group founded by Daniel J. Jones, a former FBI investigator and staffer for the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
“It’s becoming all too commonplace to see everyday citizens performing necessary functions for our democracy being targeted with violent threats by Trump-supporting extremists," Jones said.
Advance Democracy also noted that users were posting on other social media sites the names and images of people believed to have been grand jurors.
— Advance Democracy noted that Trump supporters were “using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur” in posts online.
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I thought that was mighty convenient verbiage when I saw it too. Donald Trump is the deified god-incarnate of every 14 year old internet edgelord. Unfortunately that also represents the political desires of roughly (30%) of the electorate.
Heh, they themselves would be the literal "rigger"s here, by doxxing the judges in an attempt to sway the judgement
“Post names and addresses of jurors” is a really wordy way of saying “terrorism”. Because that’s what this is. Someone, or a small group, is trying to use fear to affect the decision making of our society.
That is textbook terrorism.
We need to start calling this shit what it is.
They’ve already performed their duty. Silly boys can’t even stochastic terrorism right.
I guess this is what the bloviating one was talking about when he twatted “if you come for me i’ll come for you.”
Little slow on the draw there, gordito.
It also acts as a threat that they’ll do the same to jurors involved in the trial should it not go their way.
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