Anyone who knows about these places know they are bad news and fuck up people for life.
I think what struck me the most was that Brace’s parents still haven’t really come to terms with what they did to them. It’s insidious how they infect the entire familial dynamic.
Brace’s parents still haven’t really come to terms with what they did to them
Sadly typical of these cases.
In my experience a lot of trauma visited on children by their parents is motivated by love and fear. They can’t admit their wrongs because their intentions were “pure” or some shit.
I feel so sorry for Nick.
The Game is a fucking masterpiece that should have won whatever awards they do for journalism
Classic. This whole thing smelled to me like the same kind of relationship that Tom Hanks has with Chet.
To elaborate, there’s an interview I saw of both Nick and Rob Reiner for the film they made together, and it was very clear that not only did the kid live in the giant shadow of his Hollywood star father, but as a kid felt small for his dad not being around much or doing a good job, and as an adult still felt small because every single adult he’d meet would instantly associate him with his famous film director and actor father. Engulfed in the shadows is what happens to a lot of these kids of famous artists.
Yeah, there was a picture from a month ago or so of the family and Nick looked haunted. Just clearly traumatized. Idk what went on behind closed doors but I know enough to look at the parents when a kid turns out so traumatized.
is this the one?
No, rhey were out for dinner at some grand opening of a restaurant. Nick looked utterly shell shocked.
The vibes are definitely off
Thats the one
Listen. We don’t know what happened. We can’t just sit here and speculate that he was driven to murder based on x y or z with no knowledge of the situation, or judge individual pictures on how murder-y the people in them look.
This is really important. I see it all the time on the net and even on here very recently.
I don’t want to irresponsibly pathologise but you can tell from <their> eyes. they’ve got the same eyes as <someone I knew who was bad> its that dead vacant soulless stare
and it’s like, bruh, have you never had a bad photo taken? I’ve never had a good one ffs and I don’t have “crazy eyes” or whatever the fuck people think they’re able to intuit psychology from.
It’s really gross.
Agreed, I don’t think a facial expression in a single photo is really useful information to make any kind of analysis or determination here. Even if it were every photo, some people just don’t like having their picture taken. This kind of speculation is just… well, speculation.
fellas, is doing patois as a turnt up white boy the same as committing a double matricide/patricide?
no, but it’s certainly the happier ending
Yes.
Joe vs Elan School…
My thoughts exactlly.
I don’t know the details of this specific situation and it’s too triggering for me to research, all I’ll say is parents who send their kids to these torture camps deserve worse than this. I don’t give a fuck that some may have been “tricked”, this industry has been well-documented for decades at this point. They spend more time researching a fucking blender than the prisons they send their own kids to.
if you send your kid to a child abuse camp you deserve to get stabbed tbh. at the very least you can’t be surprised when the chickens come home to roost
There it is
The troubled teen industry gets parents to send their kids there through a web of scare tactics and lies to obscure what they really are from parents. Also, at this point in his life, Nick had been to rehab at least once (he ended up going a total of 17 times in his life), and his parents probably felt like they were out of options, which is where the predatory company preyed on stressed parents and struggling kids to feed their million dollar child abuse machines. They don’t turn anyone who goes through them into better people, but at the end of the day, Nick is still here and his parents aren’t. Nick Reiner is not the principal victim of the Nick Reiner story.
CW for brief discussion of suicide.
I think it’s undeniable that the troubled teen industry will sometimes produce violent outcomes. What they do to children is unbelievable, it just ends in suicide more often than homicide.
Nick Reiner is not the principal victim of the Nick Reiner story.
I personally don’t think we need to rank victims here. We don’t know anything about what happened and why. All we know is that he was a troubled person growing up and that he was sent to a child abuse camp by his parents - though they almost certainly didn’t know that’s what it was. That’s not enough information to really even be sure what happened, let alone why.
I personally don’t think we need to rank victims here.
That’s really hard to do when two people are dead and one isn’t.
Yeah, the people who are dead raised the one who isn’t. It’s possible - though that doesn’t excuse it and doesn’t mean they deserved it - that their actions, including sending him to be tortured as a child, contributed to this outcome.
Accordingly, and seeing that we have no real details about this whole situation (either further mitigating or non-mitigating context for anyone involved), I don’t think we need to sit here coming up with a numerical ranking of who was the bigger victim.
Edit: It’s possible (extreme example) that this had nothing to do with his upbringing. It’s also possible (other extreme) that they abused him his whole life and this is the result. We don’t know. I find it most likely that this is the tragic outcome of a situation which was allowed to happen by a completely broken society, and I don’t think we gain anything from determining a “primary” victim, especially with the limited information available.
We don’t need to numerically rank victims, I agree with you on that front. But Nick is the only party here who gets to defend himself from the allegations or spread more light on the issue. It’s also worth mentioning that this entire thread is operating under the assumption that he did it, and that also isn’t known.
Agreed, both good points.
that, or, you know, he was accurately assessed to be a troubled youth, which certainly seems like the nicest thing you can say for a guy who ended up doing in his parents with a knife.
Being tortured in the woods is not a valid answer to helping a troubled youth. It just makes you into a troubled adult.
Being tortured in the woods
is that what happened? do you think, more often than not, the kids of incredibly affluent and libbed out families, get sent to torture camp?
Have you read about Elan School? If not, you should. It is indicative of what those nature programs are like. It is chilling and highly disturbing. The kids are not allowed to communicate accurately to the parents the abuse that is happening.
Edit: I should have mentioned, massive content warning. Kidnapping, child abuse, specifically, recruiting older children to perpetuate further verbal and physical abuse to the younger children, sleep deprivation, it goes on and on.
I have no words. Death to America, Death to Australia, Death to the Empire (she repeats to herself like a centering mantra almost devoid of meaning at this point.)
damn i shouldn’t have read all that. or i should have. terrible but eye opening and now my day is ruined
Sorryyyyyy I also regret reading the whole thing when I did years ago. I did put a content warning after a few minutes though. It is horrible but also strangely compelling to read.
Oh absolutely. I feel like I’m getting PTSD just by reading this and I can’t stop reading it
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i genuinely thought it was going to end once he made it to Brooklyn. Silly me🙃
Yeah you really should take breaks with that story. It is A LOT for one sitting.
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I’m frightened to consider how the hell they managed to find him. How’d they know he was in Brooklyn, much less specifically where in Brooklyn?
Yeah same, definitely broke my brain and I don’t know that anything other than everyone who ever ran one of these places being redacted will ever fix it
Oh yh there was the netflix doc cons, cults and kidnapping about these.
Fuck I thought I could handle this but I need to take a break jfc.
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is it? that’s typical you think?
Yes. The troubled teen industry is abusive, period. These are not evidence based programs, they are torture centers following a made up therapy invented by cultists. That’s literally what “troubled teen program” means in the USA. If you look at the link OP posted, this particular case was a “wilderness school” in Utah - that’s not at all ambiguous or possibly legitimate. His parents paid for him to be abused as a child.
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Never think anything that begins with “The rich can’t be depraved enough to…” is true, even if the second half of that sentence is “…send their own children to torture camps.”
Why are you so unwilling to accept the well documented abuses of troubled teen camps? Have you done any research into this subject before coming in here and going “NUH-UH”" to everyone giving you an explanation?
I didn’t mean for this to become a dogpile on you like it did. Sorry for that. But you need to educate yourself on this topic.
I don’t think Robert Reiner knew how bad the programs are. He seems like a decent guy. But yes, it is that bad, nearly across the board. Teen corrections is a 50 billion dollar industry in the US. Other countries don’t have that kind of cottage industry, and ours is uniquely bad, but also that isn’t completely common knowledge yet, or certainly was less known back when he was sent.
Also, Utah and Nevada and states like it are commonly chosen for these things because child abuse protections are/were more lenient in those states. Under 18 years old Gay/trans conversion therapy was still allowed in Nevada until 2017.
I don’t think Robert Reiner knew how bad the programs are.
Unfortunately this seems like it’s typical, with parents never coming to terms with what they put their kids through because they thought it was going to help them. The kids are punished by the people running the program if they don’t pretend they’re happy and the program is going well, etc.
2020 in Utah, and that by governor executive order after the legislature wouldn’t do it. Didn’t become actual law to ban conversion therapy on minors in Utah until 2023.
And I really shudder to think what still goes on among the religious population there who think they get their laws from god.
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Do you think we’re being soft on him because of his social status?
is it? that’s typical you think?
There have been exposes, damning investigation and lawsuits about basically all of the big ones.
Sadly, that is specifically what “troubled youth program” means in America. The programs lie to the parents, and the parents usually lie to themselves even if the kids tell them what happened (which they are often forcibly prevented from doing while in the program). These programs have their roots in actual cults, not genuine psychological research.
Other mentioned the Elan School, which is a famous (and typical, unfortunately) example. I cannot emphasize enough how serious the content warnings others have mentioned are. The details can get extremely upsetting.
do you think, more often than not, the kids of incredibly affluent and libbed out families, get sent to torture camp?
It happened to Paris Hilton and her family are billionaires.
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And if they were willing to do that to a rich white girl, imagine what they do to children who are poor (being sent to these camps as wards of the state) or black or gay or any other list of vulnerable groups. The people running these places act with impunity and know their victims can’t retaliate.
Yes holy shit. That is what is happening.
Between this and some of the stuff in OttoboyEmpire’s modlog, I’m starting to think that OttoboyEmpire just hates children lol
Very strange.
well it’s not always in the woods
Yes. They just get sent to more expensive ones. The TruAnnon series is long af but its also an amazing bit of work that covers all of this pretty thoroughly
do you think, more often than not, the kids of incredibly affluent and libbed out families, get sent to torture camp?
Not more often than not, no, but this guy absolutely, verifiably was. Because these troubled teen camps are absolutely, verifiably there to torture and abuse the kids who get sent there.
Someone else already mentioned her
Brace from TrueAnon was sent to one, he talks about it on the series of episodes titled The Game. I first learned about them from the web comic that others posted, here. It’s a struggle to believe, and the parents largely have no idea what goes on there either, but between just those two sources you’ll see how fucked it is. Parents and the public at large are lied to about what it is, and since it costs some money, yes it is more affluent families doing it, and as has been said the kids are monitored and abused at all times and set against one another, while the guards are often former (well, current) victims of the system themselves, modeled after the very real cult that birthed it. It’s harrowing to learn about but that it could produce someone so unstable and vengeful is sadly not at all surprising.
Two things can be true!
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