I think the libs on reddit are held back by the masses of conservatives and outright fascists.

The interesting dialectic that opens up exploring this is that we do have some views in common with “realists” which reminds me of glen diesen who has very based takes at times and complete dogshit on others.

This also speaks to lenins favor of dealing with all kinds of people during the revolution. Fanon also shows this in his book when anticolonial struggle starts with nationalism, not leftism. The nationalist movement needs to remove the hand puppeting the state, then the state will become ultranationalist and then it needs to be corrected to the left, not vice versa.

Without saying this is what has to be done: it lends itself to the notion of MLs to have to move in a nationalist direction first (remove nato, stop intervening, stop accepting any outside influence), then struggle only against inside enemies to correct towards socialism.

This would also explain why socialists cant gain ground in vassal states and why they turn nationalist. That may be the correct direction at first. Our goal should probably be to destroy any connection between capitalist states first, alienate them and then move them.