US and europe pressured Ukraine to give up its nukes in exchange for security garuntees they didnt honor,
The modern state of Ukraine never had nukes. The Ukrainian SSR held nukes within its territory, but Russia is the legal successor state to the USSR and took on all its debts, obligations, and nuclear weapons. All nations agreed to this. Modern Ukraine was never trusted to have nukes, never took on the requisite obligations and treaties, and never owned them for even a split second. This is a Western re-framing of reality
This is a modern fantasy about Ukraine having nukes that never happened, this entire comment was ahistorical. Ukraine never had nukes to give up, never had a chance in hell of keeping the Ukrainian SSR nukes, and the security guarantees that Ukraine received at the time were from Russia and against the encroaching West. Ukrainians at that time were not concerned with Russia invading them but with NATO and western aggression. It was Russia that failed to uphold its security guarantees by allowing the 2014 coup and the NATO takeover. Russia failed Ukraine by not immediately invading and destroying the Western Nazi takeover.
No, it’s the factual reality. The modern state of Ukraine never had nukes to “give up”. Russia always legally owned all of USSR’s nukes. They went from 100% USSR control to 100% Russia control. Not ever for a single moment in history has Ukraine ever owned a nuke
It’s also a fact that in those discussions the Ukrainian representatives main demand for security guarantees was requesting the aid of Russia, not the West. Historical documents prove this. It’s not just an “interpretation of the facts”.
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The modern state of Ukraine never had nukes. The Ukrainian SSR held nukes within its territory, but Russia is the legal successor state to the USSR and took on all its debts, obligations, and nuclear weapons. All nations agreed to this. Modern Ukraine was never trusted to have nukes, never took on the requisite obligations and treaties, and never owned them for even a split second. This is a Western re-framing of reality
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This is a modern fantasy about Ukraine having nukes that never happened, this entire comment was ahistorical. Ukraine never had nukes to give up, never had a chance in hell of keeping the Ukrainian SSR nukes, and the security guarantees that Ukraine received at the time were from Russia and against the encroaching West. Ukrainians at that time were not concerned with Russia invading them but with NATO and western aggression. It was Russia that failed to uphold its security guarantees by allowing the 2014 coup and the NATO takeover. Russia failed Ukraine by not immediately invading and destroying the Western Nazi takeover.
Yes, that’s another perspective on the same set of facts
No, it’s the factual reality. The modern state of Ukraine never had nukes to “give up”. Russia always legally owned all of USSR’s nukes. They went from 100% USSR control to 100% Russia control. Not ever for a single moment in history has Ukraine ever owned a nuke
It’s also a fact that in those discussions the Ukrainian representatives main demand for security guarantees was requesting the aid of Russia, not the West. Historical documents prove this. It’s not just an “interpretation of the facts”.