• freagle
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    2 months ago

    We’re going to actually get to the point where medicine against cancer will eventually acknowledge the potency of naturally growing plants, because that’s what humans used for thousands of years before the advent of pharmaceuticals.

    But otherwise you’re right. Mainstream economics is an exercise in ignorance, randomness, and vibes.

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      We’re going to actually get to the point where cutlery will eventually acknowledge the potency of flaked stone knives, because that’s what humans used for thousands of years before the advent of metallurgy.

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        Y’all. Morphine, heroin, opium, and nearly all opiates are from pretty flowers. Cocaine is from leafy greens. Quinine (malaria medicine) is from a tree. Penicillin is from moldy bread. Digoxin (a.k.a. digitalis a.k.a. Lanoxin) is from pretty flowers. Paclitaxel (a.k.a. chemotherapeutic Taxol) is from a tree.

        You are being idealist when you imagine that all medicine is divorced from history and exists only in Euro-techno laboratories from non-earthly components.

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          I’ve heard these lectures before and am well-aware that not every treatment is a gamma knife, but the proponent of modern medicine is perfectly capable of acknowledging aspirin, since my criteria is if it works or not, rather than how near or far it is from nature. It’s the primitivist who is forced into an untenable position by rejecting pharmaceuticals, because your primary criteria criteria is closeness to nature rather than efficacy, the latter only coinciding as a happy accident.

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            I never said closeness to nature was the standard. I said that the metaphor of “backwards magical thinking” being analogous to “plant-based medicine” is an ahistorical position. Before Dupont and Pfizer, there was herbalism, and it worked through the scientific method of experimentation and evidence gathering. Modern medicine is built on top of herbalism and even includes herbalism today, while simultaneously pushing the narrative that all previous medical interventions based on plants is to be ignored, derided, abolished, and forgotten. And the reality is that the reason they do this is for profit and white male Eurocentric social hegemony. We have so much more to learn from ancient medicine because European society deliberately ignored it, obfuscated it, distorted it, and tried to destroy it.

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      You mean that’s what humans used for the thousands of years where humans had an average lifespan of like 25 years, right? The triumph of historical materialism isn’t going to be a return to substituting evidence-based medicine for naturopathy and other “traditional” pseudoscientific hokum.

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        Y’all. Morphine, heroin, opium, and nearly all opiates are from pretty flowers. Cocaine is from leafy greens. Quinine (malaria medicine) is from a tree. Penicillin is from moldy bread. Digoxin (a.k.a. digitalis a.k.a. Lanoxin) is from pretty flowers. Paclitaxel (a.k.a. chemotherapeutic Taxol) is from a tree.

        You are being idealist when you imagine that all medicine is divorced from history and exists only in Euro-techno laboratories from non-earthly components.

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          Seconded and there are many more.

          Many synthetic pharmaceuticals are based on natural molecules extracted from plants and fungi. Some are further modified to change their properties, but we often learn what works from studying natural products.

          Nature is just better at this shit than we are. We steal their ideas, modify them slightly, and patent them.

          Those historically low average lifespans are often due to high infant mortality, not adults dying at a young age.