The problem is they chose to include “non-woke”. They could have said “the emergent anti-imperialist left”
edit: we may be agreeing and the rest of your comment past the first paragraph was talking about something else! On patsocs, one of the traits they share is that they are quite good at downplaying their “power level”, only slowly testing the waters here and there and seeing if it’s safe enough to drop the mask.
I have some experience with dealing with online fascists (not like patsocs are doing anything IRL either lol), and I see the same methods being used there. For example the Pamphlets account, which recently got a huge boost on Twitter, seems to be at that stage. If 3-6 months from now they become openly patsoc, my theory will be vindicated lol.
At this point I am personally not giving anyone who displays patsoc tendencies the benefit of the doubt, when they start with the dogwhistles it means they are far deeper into it than they let on and it’s only a matter of time until they drop the mask and start getting a piece of the streamer pie for themselves.
Indeed and that is a weird and cringe thing to do. I don’t see the point of it and it’s not like “woke” or “non-woke” are even serious terms anyway. There is an educated discussion that could be had about liberal identity politics and the way that progressive struggles (or rather the language thereof) have been co-opted by capitalists and imperialists, defanged of their revolutionary and radical character and made compatible with the status quo. But rather than doing that they chose to stoop down to this rather boorish level of using the language of the reactionary right. So the accusation of opportunism is accurate in this particular case, but i think the real crime committed here is that this is an ineffectual strategy. By using the right’s language we would be ceding ideological ground to them and at the end of the day it won’t work anyway. The kinds of people who have this obsession with the “woke” boogieman are never going to be a solid base for the kind of revolutionary movement that we are interested in building.
The problem is they chose to include “non-woke”. They could have said “the emergent anti-imperialist left”
edit: we may be agreeing and the rest of your comment past the first paragraph was talking about something else! On patsocs, one of the traits they share is that they are quite good at downplaying their “power level”, only slowly testing the waters here and there and seeing if it’s safe enough to drop the mask.
I have some experience with dealing with online fascists (not like patsocs are doing anything IRL either lol), and I see the same methods being used there. For example the Pamphlets account, which recently got a huge boost on Twitter, seems to be at that stage. If 3-6 months from now they become openly patsoc, my theory will be vindicated lol.
At this point I am personally not giving anyone who displays patsoc tendencies the benefit of the doubt, when they start with the dogwhistles it means they are far deeper into it than they let on and it’s only a matter of time until they drop the mask and start getting a piece of the streamer pie for themselves.
Indeed and that is a weird and cringe thing to do. I don’t see the point of it and it’s not like “woke” or “non-woke” are even serious terms anyway. There is an educated discussion that could be had about liberal identity politics and the way that progressive struggles (or rather the language thereof) have been co-opted by capitalists and imperialists, defanged of their revolutionary and radical character and made compatible with the status quo. But rather than doing that they chose to stoop down to this rather boorish level of using the language of the reactionary right. So the accusation of opportunism is accurate in this particular case, but i think the real crime committed here is that this is an ineffectual strategy. By using the right’s language we would be ceding ideological ground to them and at the end of the day it won’t work anyway. The kinds of people who have this obsession with the “woke” boogieman are never going to be a solid base for the kind of revolutionary movement that we are interested in building.