First, sorry if this isn’t the best community for this kind of thing, but I hope you will engage with me regardless. Now…

Warning: This post will be US-centric as far as specific information pieces like tax rates, but I am under the impression the underlying principle can apply to any nation in the West and those aligned alongside it (looking at you, Japan, South Korea, and NATO).

So, to survive in the Imperial core, you essentially have to hold a job if you aren’t a capitalist or landlord. You earn a wage, and use that wage to not starve and maybe have a roof overhead.

A portion of that income is taxed. In the US, the typical working class person gives roughly ~30% of their income to the nation-state as taxes. Here is where the crux lies:

Yes, some of that money does go toward worthy things like maintaining roads, funding medical care for some people, some social programs, etc., but

Of the fiscal year 2023 federal budget, about ~37% goes toward military past (think interest on loans taken out in order to kill people) and current costs. This does not include all Department of Homeland Security and all State Department, though those are “partially” included in military.

So an average US based full time worker works about ~8 paid hours a day, plus or minus some depending on specifics, but ~8 is considered the standard.

About a third of that time is taken by the government in the form of taxes. And about a third of that time is used to fund military shit.

A third of 8 hours is about 2.6 repeating. A third of that is 0.8 repeating. So a little under an hour (roughly 53 minutes) each day is spent helping the military. A week that is about 4.4 repeating hours. Do the math and that time helping the military murder people adds up.

This makes every US worker an accomplice to murder, whether they like it or not. It doesn’t matter if you are a factory worker, barista, or paid anti-war activist for an NGO, everyone in the US paying income tax is helping kill poor people.

Now that I’ve established that, I have another point to make from a moral perspective: if you have the power to help people (or stop hurting people), it is your moral duty to do so.

If you are walking down the street and you see a child (or any person really, it isn’t the fact that it is a child making it imperative you save them) in a pond drowning, and you can swim, then you absolutely must stop, get in there, and save that child. It doesn’t matter if you’ll get your suit all muddy and wet and you have to present at some meeting soon, or whatever. You must go in there and save them.

And then obviously, if you don’t have the capacity to help people (or stop hurting them), then you can’t be expected to carry out that moral imperative.

So for the drowning child example, if you can’t swim, you can’t be expected to go out and save the kid. Or if you can’t reach the pond for whatever reason, like a physical barrier is blocking you, then you can’t be expected to save the child.

Now, this imperative extends to everything in life. For example, you have to buy a shirt because your other shirts are for whatever reason unusable as a shirt anymore. You are presented with two choices: a shirt made using slave labor and a shirt made voluntarily. It is you moral imperative to get the shirt using voluntary labor. It doesn’t matter if it is not as pretty. It doesn’t matter if you like the brand less. Those are of moral in-consequence. Using slave labor is bad.

Now, back to my original question: As long as material conditions are such that a revolution is impossible, if you have the capacity to leave the Imperial Core and stop paying taxes, you must do so. Staying would mean you are helping murder people. It does not matter that moving, especially abroad, is inconvenient. It does not matter that it might mean you need to learn about and get used to a new culture. It doesn’t even seem to matter (correct me if I’m wrong) that your extended family will be sad, if they aren’t dependent on you for their life or welfare (thus creating a moral barrier preventing you from being about to go), then it is your duty to stop aiding and abetting murder. It doesn’t even matter if emigrating might mean a noticeable drop in your standard of living, as long as you can meet all your human needs and expect to live a similar life expectancy then it is your duty to go.

Now, obviously I am assuming that such a person who takes these things into consideration should also behave respectfully when they arrive at their destination. They will treat locals with love, kindness, and respect. They will strive to do work that is fulfilling and aids society while meeting their needs. They will speak the local language to the best of their ability and be respectful of local traditions and customs. In a Marxist context, this person would also continue to build resiliency and community in their new home, aiding the working class by way of praxis.

I am also going under the assessment that a communist revolution will not happen in the relevant Imperial Core countries in a reasonable time to morally justify staying and continuing to pay into this war tax system in the meantime.

Also, obviously this moral imperative doesn’t apply to people who can’t leave. If you can’t afford to move, you can’t afford to move. If you can’t get permission from a qualifying non-imperialist nation state to legally enter, then you can’t go.

Comrades, am I missing something? Where is my argument flawed if it is flawed? Is there a justification to continue to pay into the war system when you have the option to stop?

Please note: These thoughts are influenced by Peter Singer’s 1972 paper titled “Famine, Affluence, and Morality” and then applied to my current understanding of material conditions in the US (and extended to some degree to the rest of the Imperial core based on what I hear from comrades, friends abroad, and media intake [both reliable and less reliable]). I am not aware of any Marxist literature which might cover these sorts of dilemmas, so if you have suggestions, I’m all ears eyes. Lastly, if you downvote, please say why so I (and maybe other comrades too) can learn and grow from it.

  • @bleepingblorpOP
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    311 months ago

    My moral question is is it moral to intentionally go into an immoral career if you commit to doing as much sabotage as you can?

    I actually have this question as well so I would like to see the answers on this. Also, I’m not ignoring your other points or the points made by other comrades with my current delay in responding. I am simply letting a good number of comrades give their inputs and allow myself to grow and will reply once the discourse slows and the people who want to give their input have. Whatever questions and responses I have will wait.

    But yes, this is something I am curious about too. Can at least say that much for now.