First of all, I just want this war to end. I don’t support Russia, or Ukraine. (this should not be that hot of a take but here we are) The whole sUpPoRt rUsSiA stuff is stupid, considering that Russia is yet another capitalist country that, while it is anti-USA, is just trying to be a competing bourgeois imperialist country. Russia is not “anti-imperialist”, Russia is just lesser imperialist. This is not “ultra-left”, this is the correct Marxist path. “Ultra-left” would be saying that China is capitalist. People who say that “Xi Jinping supports Russia because he talked with Putin” are also dumb because Xi Jinping talked with Zelenśkyj too, and he definitely does NOT support Ukraine. Also, there a bunch of Wagner supporters here, and do I even have to go into detail about why supporting LITERAL mercenaries is stupid? The only correct solution is to end the war immediately. Russia is not the 2nd coming of the USSR and is more akin to WW2 Britain than WW2 USSR. Putin is not another Stalin, Putin is Russian Churchill. This right-deviationist line here needs to end and Lemmygrad has to return to a principled Marxist line. Also, Pušilin is transphobic and has also given awards to literal Nazis, so supporting Pušilin over Zelenśkyj is just stupid. They both suck, and peace is the only way out.

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    [Russia] is just trying to be a competing bourgeois imperialist country.

    Is it really now? What evidence shows this?

    Also, there a bunch of Wagner supporters here, and do I even have to go into detail about why supporting LITERAL mercenaries is stupid?

    Sure I agree, as mercs we should side-eye them. They have done well in defending Syria from ISIS though.

    “Xi Jinping supports Russia because he talked with Putin” are also dumb because Xi Jinping talked with Zelenśkyj too, and he definitely does NOT support Ukraine.

    They are in constant talks and have many joint commitments. China understands that Russia isn’t an Imperialist power. The leaders are quite warm towards each other.

    The only correct solution is to end the war immediately.

    On what terms though? Peace is agreement. This is idealism. If the processes that created this war are not dealt with the war won’t end. Which is why the Donbas War is going on 9 years now.

    Also, Pušilin is transphobic and has also given awards to literal Nazis, so supporting Pušilin over Zelenśkyj is just stupid.

    Transphobia is bad for sure. The evidence on the Nazi thing looks flimsy and comes at a time when Ukraine was under fire for too many Nazi patches. It seems like counter propaganda. Like 3 western outlets covered the story meanwhile they never talked about the patches on Uke soldiers until this moment. Zelensky wanted peace, he can’t have it though, he will likely be killed by the Banderites: https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/2019-20-zelensky-has-a-choice

    Russia is not the 2nd coming of the USSR and is more akin to WW2 Britain than WW2 USSR.

    Agreed on the first part, I don’t think the second analogy is any better.

    How many times are we gonna have a grandstanding post telling us critical support for Russia is bad? Let’s analyze how this thing started, eh? How it can end? What things did the participating parties ignore that lead to this point? If we don’t recognize that Ukraine was colonized by the US in 2014, because the elected government backed out of a Neo-colonial trade deal with the EU and IMF, then all analysis we have for events that come after this pivotal moment are going to be incorrect. The fact that the US bourgeoisie has been benefiting massively from the invasion is a massive tell that perhaps such claims of Russian Imperialism are unfounded, and actually misdirected. Frankly judging a country by the nature of its state is not enough, we need analyze them in the context of Colonialism. Russia is a target of Colonialism and the Ukraine colony is the arrow. Russia was attacked in desperation to isolate the power from China so that the US can soon create a crisis in the Taiwan Strait and Colonize China without worry of an “Axis of Evil” developing.

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      Ukraine has the agency and self determination to be it’s own fascist state. Banderites have existed well before 2014 (or even 2007 when first evidence of CIA meddling began). Germany is a colony of the USA and somehow they have de-nazified, likely due to their stronger economic power. Ukraine has been destabilized economically so bad since '95 that they gave in to economic pressures to the vying powers. They had every opportunity to align with Russia and China as was shown with economically equivalent Belarus. Was the choice to align with the US “forced” on them as a colony, or was the Ukrainian government always aligned with US-Neo-Nazi interests? How did events in Bosnia influence their decisions (if at all)?

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        Banderite network support from the US and Canadian governments has existed since WW2. Ukraine’s government was couped in 2014 and replaced with a US puppet. Ukraine’s shock doctrine policies were stopped in the early 2000s, most importantly the state stopped privatizing its own land which stayed in effect until the coup as a condition of an IMF loan, Zelensky went further and tried to privatize public lands for foreign buyers.

        Yeah I’d say aiding in a neo-Nazi takeover against a government that wasn’t selling itself out to US interests is “forced”. Yanukovych was deposed because he sought a deal with Russia lol.

        Germany is a colony of the USA and somehow they have de-nazified, likely due to their stronger economic power.

        Few things. Germany didn’t de-Nazify, their Nazis were smart enough to shut up and kickstart NATO continuing their anti-Communist war alongside the US. German Nazism was too high profile for the West to rehabilitate, and the GDR on the other side forced German anti-Communism to drop the Nazi aesthetics so they wouldn’t lose the narrative. Blaming the Holocaust on solely Nazi Germany neatly allows Nazism to exist almost overtly in the Eastern bloc countries, especially Poland, the Baltics, and Ukraine where the Double Genocide variety of Holocaust denialism is prolific and state sponsored (and US/EU supported!).

        “Agency” and “Self determination” slogans are silly. When the protests started getting violent (started by the Banderites) the US sanctioned the government and every powerful Ukrainian who wasn’t pro-US. Do you think economic warfare at the whims of the US bourgeoisie constitutes agency? This is the main vehicle of neo-Colonialism isn’t it?