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    The people dying on both sides in Ukraine are our working-class brethren. And they’re not dying to fight imperialism or advance the interests of the working class - though that could be a welcome side effect of the conflict. They’re being fed into this meatgrinder to further the interests of two bourgeois sides duking it out for their own material interests.

    Donbas republics have been fighting the colonization of Ukraine since 2014, so fuck outta here with that. The Russian bourgeoisie is against the war, why? Because they’ve been trying to join the Western Imperialist order for decades now. Not fighting Imperialism, what the fuck would you call what the US did to Ukraine? What they did to Libya? What they tried to do to Syria? It’s not Imperialism if the target has a bourgeoisie?

    There’s zero evidence that the Russian bourgeoisie or some usurper trying to take their place has any monopoly pressures guiding it into annexing Donbas. Donbas is insignificant in food production, and Donbas industry has been a carcass since the collapse of the USSR. These people live off of pensions from dead jobs. It just doesn’t compute that this is an inter-bourgeois conflict. It does compute that this is a colonial struggle as Donbas is taking up arms against the puppet state which has been privatizing land, devaluing the currency (lowering the cost of labor, and the value of pensions), cutting health benefits, etc. And Ukraine is not just an economic colony, it is stuffed with the empire’s weapons and the remnants of the Red Army. It is an offensive bulwark aimed at Russia. It’s entirely suspicious that a supposed bourgeois conflict is benefiting one country specifically, the Imperial Hegemon, at the expense of Europe. The contradictions of this Colonization effort are allowing the rest of the world to review their relationships with the USA and China, only because Russia is defeating the Ukraine colony can these developments take place.

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        The existing bourgeois state doesn’t negate the reality of a liberation struggle. Through the struggle the bourgeois state must be shed if it is not able to protect the nation. Frankly if one camp of the bourgeoisie decides to defend the nation that doesn’t mean a liberation struggle isn’t underway, it just means it has not developed to the point where the bourgeoisie should be tossed aside. Every Liberation struggle has had a split bourgeoisie.

        If there was no class interest, Russia wouldn’t be doing it. Posing anything else is literally a rejection of class analysis and Marxism in general.

        The bourgeois state isn’t absolute, this is something we like to forget it seems. The bourgeois state exists within a delicate balance of the state acting in class interests, and the strength of the state. This situation the Russian population is overwhelmingly supportive of the Donbas, as noted by the Communist Party, so if the state failed to defend Donbas, it would have looked too weak to defend Russia. This would have put the state itself into crisis. Does this mean a section of the bourgeoisie is fighting for its own existence, yes of course, but this doesn’t mean they haven’t been pushed into a concession by the toiling masses.

        Not to mention this mischaracterizes the Donbass struggle itself severely. The Donbass Republics were literally praised by Russian nationalists for their extreme libertarian character.

        Evidence? How could it possibly be more “libertarian” than Ukraine proper which cut social spending across the board and privatized land for an IMF deal. I’m sure Donbas pensioners captured the government buildings for their Libertarianism, talk about ignoring class interests.