I never said this quote was genuine. I said that Gaddafi’s position on the Islamation of Libyan law changed and he reversed the majority of his early 70’s Islamic policies by the early 80’s.
There is no need to be as aggressive as you are. Almost every thread you reply to is in hostility, like we are fighting you or we are your enemies. You could have just asked me to clarify what I meant.
Aggressive in the sense of accusing everyone in the thread of “chauvinist Islamophobia”, and “militant atheism” with no backing, simply for discussing religion. I cannot even find a single sentence in any way discussing Islam at all. Most of the people instead are referring and demeaning Christianity if anything.
I also have not seen any “militant atheists” other then a single person who is heavily downvoted. Everyone is simply discussing the failures of a theological state, and how theocracy is incompatible with socialism. If people were putting words in Gaddafi’s mouth or inventing history, I would wholeheartedly agree with you, but everyone is simply giving their own personal observation of theocracy by observing the message of the quote, even if it may not be real itself. So no one is “disrespecting” revolutionary heroes.
I gotta slightly push back on this. I think its very fair to say that Islam, Christianity and Buddhism aren’t the core of the problem, the problem is them being co-opted by western imperialism.
I still think that religion itself is actively harmful, even in subtle ways, and that as a whole humanity will be better off without religion. But I also understand that religion acts as a painkiller, and might have a small amount of relief or comfort for those in the Global South demonized by capitalism.
And I also understand that its better to reduce the influence, spread and hold that religion has on people by removing the poverty and material conditions that spur people to use religion as a painkiller in the first place, rather than forcing it out of people at gunpoint.
Humans aren’t always perfectly rational, and our beliefs and actions are colored by numerous different perceptions, emotions, biases, cultural influences, and I just see no good that religion can offer that can’t otherwise be offered by a secular socialist society, and that won’t color or influence your mind in ways of literal magical-thinking that religion does and science doesn’t.
I should note that I’m a Latino Amerikkkan in the deep south and I was raised Catholic.
What the fuck are you talking about, and why the fuck would I antagonize people we are fighting for? You make it sound like I want to tear apart cultural beliefs or shared history, or disrupt dances or pottery or cloth-weaving. You are treating people of the Global South like immovable un-changeable stone objects incapable of reason and growth or nuance.
I criticize Christianity way more than I do most other religions, given that people of color in the Global South fought and died to protect their religious beliefs from imperialist invaders that want to force Christian white supremacist hetero-normative patriarchy on indigenous societies.
You make it seem like Iranians are going to suplex me just for even thinking that women shouldn’t be forced to wear hijabs instead of it being a personal choice, or undergo female genital mutilation, and which I wouldn’t even criticize religion in polite conversation or political outreach in the first place.
People shouldn’t be criticized or politely confronted or reason with because they do good things? Obviously there is a time and place, but that is liberalism. You are exotic-izing immaterial things.
I never said this quote was genuine. I said that Gaddafi’s position on the Islamation of Libyan law changed and he reversed the majority of his early 70’s Islamic policies by the early 80’s.
There is no need to be as aggressive as you are. Almost every thread you reply to is in hostility, like we are fighting you or we are your enemies. You could have just asked me to clarify what I meant.
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Aggressive in the sense of accusing everyone in the thread of “chauvinist Islamophobia”, and “militant atheism” with no backing, simply for discussing religion. I cannot even find a single sentence in any way discussing Islam at all. Most of the people instead are referring and demeaning Christianity if anything.
I also have not seen any “militant atheists” other then a single person who is heavily downvoted. Everyone is simply discussing the failures of a theological state, and how theocracy is incompatible with socialism. If people were putting words in Gaddafi’s mouth or inventing history, I would wholeheartedly agree with you, but everyone is simply giving their own personal observation of theocracy by observing the message of the quote, even if it may not be real itself. So no one is “disrespecting” revolutionary heroes.
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I gotta slightly push back on this. I think its very fair to say that Islam, Christianity and Buddhism aren’t the core of the problem, the problem is them being co-opted by western imperialism.
I still think that religion itself is actively harmful, even in subtle ways, and that as a whole humanity will be better off without religion. But I also understand that religion acts as a painkiller, and might have a small amount of relief or comfort for those in the Global South demonized by capitalism.
And I also understand that its better to reduce the influence, spread and hold that religion has on people by removing the poverty and material conditions that spur people to use religion as a painkiller in the first place, rather than forcing it out of people at gunpoint.
Humans aren’t always perfectly rational, and our beliefs and actions are colored by numerous different perceptions, emotions, biases, cultural influences, and I just see no good that religion can offer that can’t otherwise be offered by a secular socialist society, and that won’t color or influence your mind in ways of literal magical-thinking that religion does and science doesn’t.
I should note that I’m a Latino Amerikkkan in the deep south and I was raised Catholic.
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Wanting the best for people all over the globe and to free their minds from irrational immaterial thought isn’t internationalist?
Major strawman.
You didn’t read my last sentence.
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What the fuck are you talking about, and why the fuck would I antagonize people we are fighting for? You make it sound like I want to tear apart cultural beliefs or shared history, or disrupt dances or pottery or cloth-weaving. You are treating people of the Global South like immovable un-changeable stone objects incapable of reason and growth or nuance.
I criticize Christianity way more than I do most other religions, given that people of color in the Global South fought and died to protect their religious beliefs from imperialist invaders that want to force Christian white supremacist hetero-normative patriarchy on indigenous societies.
You make it seem like Iranians are going to suplex me just for even thinking that women shouldn’t be forced to wear hijabs instead of it being a personal choice, or undergo female genital mutilation, and which I wouldn’t even criticize religion in polite conversation or political outreach in the first place.
People shouldn’t be criticized or politely confronted or reason with because they do good things? Obviously there is a time and place, but that is liberalism. You are exotic-izing immaterial things.