Israel also has its military in towns, it’d be easy to say that Israel is using human shields if we were bombing them(, and we(sterners) wouldn’t accept this “excuse”), Gaza is the most densely populated region in the world. This is a stupid excuse, yet we swallow it. Israel’s “only choice” is to have “unfortunate collateral damage”, for their “security”.
In truth, Netanyahu wanted to end his career with a few dozen kilometers square of territory, and needed an excuse, but since most of his cowardly neighbours seems to have admitted that “Israel has a right to exist”, they may be indeed more secure by occupying and putting an end to the existence of Gaza.
We(sterners) may be cowards ourselves, but we would have never accepted the situation if the roles were reversed, they’re entitled to demand&obtain more, this is a clear injustice that they shouldn’t just accept.
And there’s no need to launch wars in order to retaliate, first they need to send humanitarian aid by all means, even against Israel’s will. Then they need to put all of their power to sanction Israel economically and put a blocus in place or something, i.d.k. how, they’re not weakened to the point of having no way to put pressure ? They need to do everything they can to take a revenge at the west, not stand there smiling as if they had no other choice. They don’t want more deaths, understandable, but more deaths isn’t their only option.
Their main strength may be oil, that’s not enough but it’s still a card in their hand that needs to be played in full, and isn’t, i don’t see what cutting relations with the west could entail as negative consequences, but good relations won’t lead them to obtain justice, and there’s probably nothing we can offer that other countries can’t. If we don’t respect them enough to offer a just proposition in exchange for their holy lands, then why are they still talking to us, we’re their enemies, they can only invade one country at a time because arabs aren’t united, they didn’t defend Iraq, Syria, Lybia, etc., they can’t defend what’s left of Palestine, they’re not united.
Netanyahu thought that there wouldn’t be that much negative consequences to his actions, they should prove him wrong, at the very least by setting diplomatic relations 50 years back and not stopping there, or not and they can choose to continue to be trampled on, we(sterners) don’t deserve their respect since we don’t respect them enough to be just.
This comment is useless because the only “solution” i found to avoid more killings and obtain justice despite the west’s selfishness is through economic measures. It should be accompanied with illegal&legal propaganda actions, and lobbying in order to obtain justice in the way they see fit(, a territorial exchange in my view but it’s up to them/palestinians), and that should be worth writing more about. And there must be a third/fourth/… way to obtain justice.
But i also wanted to expand on what i wrote about their “powerlessness”, i still don’t see the negative consequences, so it’s easy for me to say, but i’ve quickly checked these graphs from ten years ago, and at first sight they seem to have the possibility to use this first suggestion of economic retaliation/pressure, wanted to share that somewhere :
Just for the u.s. :
It hasn’t work in the past, and i don’t think it’ll work in the future if the only counter-offer they make is Israel’s destruction. But they’re still entitled to something if they end up giving up on holy lands they possessed for 1500 years. They/Palestinians deserve justice, who will stand up for them ? War ending up in the survival of only one side isn’t the only alternative.
If the west wants to gain Israel, it’s only just to ask for something in exchange after a 1500-years possession of the holy lands(, can’t see how that would be controversial).
If the arabs(&muslims) want to obtain justice for palestinians&Palestine, Israel as nothing to offer in exchange, but is still a ‘western country’/‘gain for ‘the west’/u(.)s’.
If we say that Israel will become less westernised with time, then the same thing could be said for a palestinian territory in Louisiana or Mississipi.
If their eyes/pressure were directed at the west instead of Israel, they could obtain justice without more bloodshed.
They don’t want to, those who could talk about a two-state solutions(, already disfavorable for them who never received anything in exchange,) and seems to have accepted that it isn’t respected by israelis colons.
If they’re strong enough to withstand consequences that i don’t know about, then putting pressure on the west through every economical means available(, and progressively), through propaganda, lobbying, …, seems to me necessary(&enough?) in order to obtain justice(, thus, it’s even more certain that they won’t, the status quo doesn’t benefit them, except if they’re waiting for the west’s downfall before making a move).
I can’t say more than that, this whole situation is unfair( and alternatives/“solutions” seem to exist).
Israel also has its military in towns, it’d be easy to say that Israel is using human shields if we were bombing them(, and we(sterners) wouldn’t accept this “excuse”), Gaza is the most densely populated region in the world. This is a stupid excuse, yet we swallow it. Israel’s “only choice” is to have “unfortunate collateral damage”, for their “security”.
In truth, Netanyahu wanted to end his career with a few dozen kilometers square of territory, and needed an excuse, but since most of his cowardly neighbours seems to have admitted that “Israel has a right to exist”, they may be indeed more secure by occupying and putting an end to the existence of Gaza.
We(sterners) may be cowards ourselves, but we would have never accepted the situation if the roles were reversed, they’re entitled to demand&obtain more, this is a clear injustice that they shouldn’t just accept.
And there’s no need to launch wars in order to retaliate, first they need to send humanitarian aid by all means, even against Israel’s will. Then they need to put all of their power to sanction Israel economically and put a blocus in place or something, i.d.k. how, they’re not weakened to the point of having no way to put pressure ? They need to do everything they can to take a revenge at the west, not stand there smiling as if they had no other choice. They don’t want more deaths, understandable, but more deaths isn’t their only option.
Their main strength may be oil, that’s not enough but it’s still a card in their hand that needs to be played in full, and isn’t, i don’t see what cutting relations with the west could entail as negative consequences, but good relations won’t lead them to obtain justice, and there’s probably nothing we can offer that other countries can’t. If we don’t respect them enough to offer a just proposition in exchange for their holy lands, then why are they still talking to us, we’re their enemies, they can only invade one country at a time because arabs aren’t united, they didn’t defend Iraq, Syria, Lybia, etc., they can’t defend what’s left of Palestine, they’re not united.
Netanyahu thought that there wouldn’t be that much negative consequences to his actions, they should prove him wrong, at the very least by setting diplomatic relations 50 years back and not stopping there, or not and they can choose to continue to be trampled on, we(sterners) don’t deserve their respect since we don’t respect them enough to be just.
This comment is useless because the only “solution” i found to avoid more killings and obtain justice despite the west’s selfishness is through economic measures. It should be accompanied with illegal&legal propaganda actions, and lobbying in order to obtain justice in the way they see fit(, a territorial exchange in my view but it’s up to them/palestinians), and that should be worth writing more about. And there must be a third/fourth/… way to obtain justice.
But i also wanted to expand on what i wrote about their “powerlessness”, i still don’t see the negative consequences, so it’s easy for me to say, but i’ve quickly checked these graphs from ten years ago, and at first sight they seem to have the possibility to use this first suggestion of economic retaliation/pressure, wanted to share that somewhere :
Just for the u.s. :
It hasn’t work in the past, and i don’t think it’ll work in the future if the only counter-offer they make is Israel’s destruction. But they’re still entitled to something if they end up giving up on holy lands they possessed for 1500 years. They/Palestinians deserve justice, who will stand up for them ? War ending up in the survival of only one side isn’t the only alternative.
Stupid table :
If the west wants to gain Israel, it’s only just to ask for something in exchange after a 1500-years possession of the holy lands(, can’t see how that would be controversial).
If the arabs(&muslims) want to obtain justice for palestinians&Palestine, Israel as nothing to offer in exchange, but is still a ‘western country’/‘gain for ‘the west’/u(.)s’.
If we say that Israel will become less westernised with time, then the same thing could be said for a palestinian territory in Louisiana or Mississipi.
If their eyes/pressure were directed at the west instead of Israel, they could obtain justice without more bloodshed.
They don’t want to, those who could talk about a two-state solutions(, already disfavorable for them who never received anything in exchange,) and seems to have accepted that it isn’t respected by israelis colons.
If they’re strong enough to withstand consequences that i don’t know about, then putting pressure on the west through every economical means available(, and progressively), through propaganda, lobbying, …, seems to me necessary(&enough?) in order to obtain justice(, thus, it’s even more certain that they won’t, the status quo doesn’t benefit them, except if they’re waiting for the west’s downfall before making a move).
I can’t say more than that, this whole situation is unfair( and alternatives/“solutions” seem to exist).