Hmmm, I’m torn about this. Obviously what they said is way over the line, but should we really be “moderate” and give excuses for China? I mean, they still are a dictatorship with horrendous mass-surveilance and human rights practices, which is committing, at this moment, a cultural genocide and which is gaining progressively more leeway in the global economy and geopolitical panorama. If anything I only disagree with their methods because they would target innocent civilians, who are the primary victims of said government, rather than the government itself as much as possible.
There’s nothing to be torn about, and you admit it yourself. What they said was over the line and is repeated all over front page Reddit. Don’t be confused, you have to be sure in your opinions.
Secondly we don’t have to give excuses for China because they’re not doing anything out of the ordinary. Here is a US Colonel explaining in 2015 how they would “hypothetically” destabilize China through Xinjiang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Cvx0R8iDo. Xinjiang has oil, and an extremist religious terrorist group which the US has been bombing in Pakistan since 2010. Then suddenly the ETIM is not a terrorist group anymore, and they stopped existing? Despite the US Army bombing them all the way to 2019? Give me a break. If you can’t see how blatant this propaganda is then I can’t help you. (Edit following:) East Turkestan is a name conjured in the 1940s by separatist groups, and then inherited by ETIM and legitimised by the Uyghur World Congress, who apparently don’t understand their own history – or don’t want to. Uyghurs are not Turks, they are a population resulting from millennia of contact between different tribes. They are also not the only minority living in Xinjiang historically and nor is Islam the only religion historically practiced in Xinjiang. And let’s be real, before all of this came out nobody even knew Xinjiang existed or where it was on the map (except the CIA I guess).
Here is a video of people living in Xinjiang asking western media to stop making shit up: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkbOIKUddMBtp0_xEFqn4zey48kkgJq5w. As China has succesfully contained the covid epidemic better than any capitalist country has done, people can now visit China and Xinjiang again and there are plenty of videos of people going there. You can see people are happy, walking down the street. Police officers don’t carry weapons, and they are few. Stores are open as usual and people talk in their language. So where is the oppression exactly?
What’s happening really is that the Empire is losing their privilege as countries turn towards China and not the World Bank, IMF or USA for trade and funds. Germany is moving towards China for tech and possibly covid vaccines. Back in 2020, Pompeo made a heartfelt appeal to the European Parliament asking them to “uwu pwease don’t trade with china but actually buy from us uwu” and as soon as he disconnected the call, the parliament promptly voted to give China the 5G contract. They are losing, they’re getting obliterated in the marketplace of ideas because their imperialist model is outdated. They are fighting to salvage what they can but instead of abandoning imperialism (which is impossible because it would destroy any capitalist society), they’re ramping up propaganda against China, hoping to turn people away.
do you know why African countries turn to China to get their loans? Because China offers better deals. That’s it. Sankara, who was marxist-leninist, said it too as far back as 1989: he would have liked to trade with France, but France didn’t want to trade with him. So he traded with the USSR. These countries want to develop their forces, they will take the better deal. The IMF makes short-term loans with unreasonable interest rates, and they also force you to adopt free-market policies so that they can export European capital – this is not a secret. China makes long-term loans, routinely forgives them, funds infrastructure and other vital projects (who cares about a port if you can’t get the containers there in the first place? But there’s very little money to be made in infrastructure). They don’t care about your government system, they will trade with you. They won’t tell you you must change your political system to be more accommodating to them. That is why China is becoming the world’s first superpower.
I mean come on, Adrian Zenz, the sole source for whatever comes out of Xinjiang and makes our way in western media (I’m discounting the “satellite images” because they’re literally google maps images that show factories and schools and these geniuses think they’re concentration camps lmao) can’t even read. He changed an 8.7% sterilisation rate to 80%. That is either wilfully malicious, or unwillingly ignorant. Either way it doesn’t bode well for the credibility “independent researcher”. This dude is a fundamentalist born-again Christian who thinks Jews who don’t renounce Judaism won’t be raptured (he believes in the rapture lmao), that gays are the antichrist and that women’s rights were an idea of the devil. He said that exposing China was a mission given to him by God.
Hmmm, I’m torn about this. Obviously what they said is way over the line, but should we really be “moderate” and give excuses for China? I mean, they still are a dictatorship with horrendous mass-surveilance and human rights practices, which is committing, at this moment, a cultural genocide and which is gaining progressively more leeway in the global economy and geopolitical panorama. If anything I only disagree with their methods because they would target innocent civilians, who are the primary victims of said government, rather than the government itself as much as possible.
There’s nothing to be torn about, and you admit it yourself. What they said was over the line and is repeated all over front page Reddit. Don’t be confused, you have to be sure in your opinions.
Secondly we don’t have to give excuses for China because they’re not doing anything out of the ordinary. Here is a US Colonel explaining in 2015 how they would “hypothetically” destabilize China through Xinjiang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Cvx0R8iDo. Xinjiang has oil, and an extremist religious terrorist group which the US has been bombing in Pakistan since 2010. Then suddenly the ETIM is not a terrorist group anymore, and they stopped existing? Despite the US Army bombing them all the way to 2019? Give me a break. If you can’t see how blatant this propaganda is then I can’t help you. (Edit following:) East Turkestan is a name conjured in the 1940s by separatist groups, and then inherited by ETIM and legitimised by the Uyghur World Congress, who apparently don’t understand their own history – or don’t want to. Uyghurs are not Turks, they are a population resulting from millennia of contact between different tribes. They are also not the only minority living in Xinjiang historically and nor is Islam the only religion historically practiced in Xinjiang. And let’s be real, before all of this came out nobody even knew Xinjiang existed or where it was on the map (except the CIA I guess).
Here is a video of people living in Xinjiang asking western media to stop making shit up: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkbOIKUddMBtp0_xEFqn4zey48kkgJq5w. As China has succesfully contained the covid epidemic better than any capitalist country has done, people can now visit China and Xinjiang again and there are plenty of videos of people going there. You can see people are happy, walking down the street. Police officers don’t carry weapons, and they are few. Stores are open as usual and people talk in their language. So where is the oppression exactly?
What’s happening really is that the Empire is losing their privilege as countries turn towards China and not the World Bank, IMF or USA for trade and funds. Germany is moving towards China for tech and possibly covid vaccines. Back in 2020, Pompeo made a heartfelt appeal to the European Parliament asking them to “uwu pwease don’t trade with china but actually buy from us uwu” and as soon as he disconnected the call, the parliament promptly voted to give China the 5G contract. They are losing, they’re getting obliterated in the marketplace of ideas because their imperialist model is outdated. They are fighting to salvage what they can but instead of abandoning imperialism (which is impossible because it would destroy any capitalist society), they’re ramping up propaganda against China, hoping to turn people away.
do you know why African countries turn to China to get their loans? Because China offers better deals. That’s it. Sankara, who was marxist-leninist, said it too as far back as 1989: he would have liked to trade with France, but France didn’t want to trade with him. So he traded with the USSR. These countries want to develop their forces, they will take the better deal. The IMF makes short-term loans with unreasonable interest rates, and they also force you to adopt free-market policies so that they can export European capital – this is not a secret. China makes long-term loans, routinely forgives them, funds infrastructure and other vital projects (who cares about a port if you can’t get the containers there in the first place? But there’s very little money to be made in infrastructure). They don’t care about your government system, they will trade with you. They won’t tell you you must change your political system to be more accommodating to them. That is why China is becoming the world’s first superpower.
I mean come on, Adrian Zenz, the sole source for whatever comes out of Xinjiang and makes our way in western media (I’m discounting the “satellite images” because they’re literally google maps images that show factories and schools and these geniuses think they’re concentration camps lmao) can’t even read. He changed an 8.7% sterilisation rate to 80%. That is either wilfully malicious, or unwillingly ignorant. Either way it doesn’t bode well for the credibility “independent researcher”. This dude is a fundamentalist born-again Christian who thinks Jews who don’t renounce Judaism won’t be raptured (he believes in the rapture lmao), that gays are the antichrist and that women’s rights were an idea of the devil. He said that exposing China was a mission given to him by God.