Full disclosure: I’m training to be a psychologist (not psychiatrist)
I’ve been browsing here a lot since Genzedong got quarantined, as I had been expecting a full removal soon after. The general community here is so positive and funny, I found myself preferring it to the subreddit.
I decided to break from my lurking ways to comment on an unfortunate trend I’ve noticed: A few, maybe just one or two, users trying to bring legitimacy to anti-psychiatry rhetoric. These users are getting a great deal of attention for their posts, and they seem to me to be legit comrades, regularly posting in other subs as well. I think these users are genuine, and I don’t intend to make this about them, nor am I about to speculate about their personal reasons for perpetuating these messages. I will say only this about them: There is a worrying tendency to fully dismiss the experiences and views of mental health professionals, saying that speaking to us is “like speaking to a wall,” and encouraging other users to simply ignore our responses. I think I only need to describe this sort of behavior for the troublesome qualities of it to become self-evident. No more needs to be said on it.
Now, I want to speak first to the kernel of truth in the anti-psychiatry lie, because this is somewhat personal to me.
Following the death of my 24 year old brother in 2020, I had a very hard time maintaining my professional life for a little over a year. He was not only my closest friend, but also the only person with whom I could share my political thoughts openly, expecting that he might be feeling similar. Simply put, he was the only socialist I knew.
At my field placement at the time, I was often working with people who were hospitalized. The fact that capitalism contributes to mental illness was not a new concept to me, but seeing how many of our patients were homeless, and knowing that, sometimes, they were sent back to the streets after we had gotten them “back to baseline,” was devastating for me. It was the sort of disruption that makes a person question the field they are in.
Cut-to October, 2021, I’m the only student in a classroom, explaining to 6 professors why my performance is slipping lately, and I find myself explaining that I feel impotent as a therapist, eventually yelling something rash to the effect of “If we actually wanted a psychologically-minded approach to helping these people, we’d be giving them houses!” Further, I was boiling in anger so slowly I almost didn’t notice it, because I had no one - zero people - in this liberal-as-hell program to discuss my beliefs with. No one outside of it. Just no one. I was surrounded by people who loved to talk about “systems,” but couldn’t form a coherent thought about the economic system that undergirds all of the ills of these other systems.
It is true that therapy and psychiatry are often bandaids for people living in a sick society. It is true that many of the problems we seek to address are exacerbated or outright caused by living in a capitalist system. It is true that therapy addresses the suffering of individuals, when that suffering is often the result of communal discord.
It’s deeply unhealthy to get stuck there though. I was for a time, and my outpatient clients likely suffered lower quality treatment from me during this time. I know everyone around me suffered a lower quality me.
We are historical materialists. Because of the suffering caused by capitalism, it can be easy to lose sight of the materialist understanding of capitalism as an inevitable and necessary next step beyond feudalism, leading to socialism. Capitalism is not an entity you can diagnose as evil and then determine that everything birthed from within it is therefore also evil. That’s idealism. The fact that psychiatry and therapy inherited flaws from operating within a capitalist system says absolutely nothing about their inherent nature, the intent of them, nor their impact.
Now let’s get more specific. This entire dance of tying capitalism and psychiatry together utterly ignores basic realities - like the fact that some mental illnesses seem to be primarily organic, that is, relating to the person’s biological make-up, their “wiring.” Primary examples of this include ADHD, Bipolar and Schizophrenia. If you suppose a person with schizophrenia or bipolar would suddenly be highly functional, absent medication, in a world where we’ve reached international communism, you are simply making a massive, uneducated guess. We don’t know that, and anyone who has spent considerable time among the severely mentally ill population will tell you that it seems extremely unlikely. Further, we haven’t reached communism, so it seems reasonable to suggest we do what we can for people who are suffering currently.
A lot of anti-psychiatry rhetoric seems to come from the neurodivergent crowd, specifically people with ADHD and/or autism, who have felt mistreated by the field of psychiatry because they aren’t disordered, just different from the type of person who succeeds under capitalism. There is a lot of truth to this, and I wish I had better answers for these individuals. Perhaps under communism, people with ADHD and Autism will feel no need for therapy. Then again, perhaps they’ll still suffer from higher rates of depression than other people, simply because they find it harder to fit in socially. A lot of unhelpful speculation is required to even have that conversation. I’m more interested in helping people with the problems they say they want help with in their lives, at this point in time.
Now to get on to what most people think of when they think of psychiatry and therapy. When I’m helping someone with OCD learn to work past their compulsions effectively enough that they can finally do something enjoyable with their time, no one gives a flying fuck if capitalism has to do with why they can’t stop checking, and re-checking that everything in their home is “just right.” When I’m helping a socially anxious person find human connection, or a depressed person find something rewarding to engage in, again, the discussion of how their mental illness is a result of capitalism feels trivial in the face of their suffering. Yes, every single one of my clients deserves revolution. No, I’m not capable of bringing about that revolution on my own, but I can help my clients make friends and find meaning in the lives they do have under this capitalist system.
The last problem with anti-psychiatry being tied to Marxism is more pragmatic: People who are curious about communism come to this site. Most people’s (with very unfortunate but real exceptions) experience of psychiatry and therapy will not map onto the exploitative machine described by the anti-psychiatry folks any more than their experience of the medical field does. This means that any curious liberal who comes into this space looking for answers is going to be immediately turned off.
Anyway, I’m really thankful for this place and hope this post doesn’t make me a pariah around here in the future. Thanks for reading, comrades.
Edit: A previous version of this post contained language that was unfair to the anti-psychiatry crowd. This was a mistake pointed out to me in the comments, and I see what they mean. I’ll do better with that in the future.
I’m “anti-psychiatry” in the sense that I believe the way patients are treated is dehumanizing and traumatizing. If a doctor can deny me of my agency then my rejection of the discipline is only self-defense.
I don’t believe psychotropic drugs are placebos. I take medication I’m comfortable with following a doctor’s advice.
If I believed I had to wait for the revolution to solve my mental problems I would have killed myself, not become critical of the discipline.
That’s being critical of psychiatry though. This comment seems completely different from the “anti-psychiatry” that’s been popping up on this site. Being comfortable taking a doctor’s advice and being on medication puts you at odds with the anti-psychiatry that keeps popping up here.
If I told you I believe that most diagnosis of mental illness don’t have an organic basis. Are shaped by our modern understanding of psychopathology, implying that society creates many mental illnesses. That I believe we’ve barely moved past lobotomies. Would you believe I’m merely “critical”? Doesn’t sound right to me, but okay. I’m not taking part of a race about who’s more radical, tbh
But many do have an organic basis. Society can have negative impacts on the workers health and create a “biological disbalance”. The cause may be social but it creates the organic basis for the illness to exist. Therefore to really help someone psychiatry alone is not the awnser, instead, we would need a “sistemic” approach consisting of psychiatry + other things that adress their social and economic material needs for example
I’m not claiming dementia will be cured with communism (but maybe we should try) if that’s what people think from my comment
Edit: i promise you bro, just give me communism and Ill stop taking risperidone pls jusg letme hav this
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I’m going to give you two awnsers,one is more of a direct awnser, the other one is more general.
1 - What I mean by “Biological disbalance” is for example, if the amount of neurotransmissors such as serotonin someone produces is not enough which leads to depressive state. This can happen for many reasons including enviromental (i.e. capitalist system) ones.
2 - I read many other peoples responses, including yours, and I feel like we are mostly on the same page. Most of your criticisms are valid and I endorse them. There are many things wrong with modern day psychiatrism and we need to be critical of it. But that doesnt mean psychiatrism is a pseudoscience. Many of their claims can and have been falsified, for example, homossexuality used to be in the DSM, it no longer is. Id like to draw a parallel here with biology, and I think it will explain better what I mean. Biology is a science and has been for a long time, even during the period that they developed the “scientific rascism” “thesis”. Obviously, this “thesis” is unscientific and must be criticized, but that doesnt mean biology is a pseudoscience. So yeah we must oppose forced medication amd internemnt. We must oppose manicomials and eletroshock terapy. But psychiatrism is a science.
I’m autistic and I have psychiatric evaluation constantly. Not only that, I also have friends with depression and schizofrenia that need medication. I used to opposed medication strongly before even discovering about the whole capitalist bs. I simply never liked it. But knowing these people before and after medication for years, its clear to me it helped them. Im still not a fan of medication though.
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We got dementia, drug addiction and genetic developmental disorders. Wouldn’t call it “many diagnosis” but certainly not the ones people are thinking to treat with benzos. Doesn’t surprise me that people with these conditions aren’t treated much better by psychs anyway.
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Yeah, so after reading these responses, I will concede that I think what you’re saying is dangerous and without any sort of grounding. I would have to ask what you suggest we do with what we currently call “mental illness” at this point in time.
Poverty alleviation and real protections for psychiatric patients. I would purge every ableist professional from the field. I would make mental health workers consider what patients feel like when they enter their treatment, if they would be okay being treated in such ways as a “sane” person.
The first one would be great to see! And the next two are, in fact, practices within the field, as are regular debates about such things as hospitalization. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not done enough. But again, what you’re saying isn’t anti-psychiatry in the way I meant unless you’d actually discourage people from seeking help, or unless you think we should do away with mental health professions until capitalism is out of the picture.
If this comes off like a personal question, feel free to ignore it, but would you actually tell a hurting friend not to see a psychiatrist or therapist? I think a difference between what I’m seeing in what you’re saying, and what the anti-psych posts are saying comes down to that.
I have family who’s mentally ill. If I ever see that their treatment puts them in danger of losing their bodily autonomy I’ve promised them I will be the first one to interfere.
If I took my medicated and mentally ill family and forced them to reject medication and therapy they tell me helps them I would be harming them. The same way I won’t give up my meds and therapy all in the name of ideological purity.
I don’t discourage people from treatment, I want them square and center on all the decisions about it.
Let my opinions be tainted by my personal experience as a mentally ill person with mentally ill family.
If you look at that particular community, 90% of threads seems to be made by the same person, so it’s not even really representative.
I will add that I’m currently on a safe place where my opinion on psychiatry will not get me in danger. And therefore I have the freedom to pick and choose what I want to take from the current state of psychiatry.
Other people might not, or the might still be dealing with the trauma they’ve suffered, so I don’t find it weird they might choose different from me.