Killer AI is gonna end bad when created by bourgeoisie state because it will inevitably be used against working class people, and be no different than the armies and weapons that we have now. Not even control issue will be qualitatively different (although it will be quantitatively) since fascist warmachines never lacked people to pull the trigger anyways.
Note that most sci-fi is (consciously or not) bourgeoisie propaganda. There is no reason whatsoever that AI must necessarily end as murderous “kill all meatbags” skynet, especially if developed by socialist states. There are even examples in the sci fi itself. Soviet and generally socialist sci fi had plenty. In western, from the more famous examples we have “Culture” cycle by Banks, and Star Trek where in WW3 humanity is literally saved by the soviet developed AI controlling presumably russian nuclear arsenal. Good example is also droid IG-11 from Star Wars show “The Mandalorian”.
be no different than the armies and weapons that we have now
Respectfully disagree there. Just like the advent of smartphones has permitted the letter agencies to have a real-time track of people they want to track, and just like the social media has allowed same people to seed their propaganda on a scale unseen before, the capitalist AI will likely enable even further levels of thought control. Pretty sure even now algorithms can predict people’s behaviour based off of their social media profile. And the corporations are tracking and recording everything we do online. I don’t want to be a fearmonger or a downer, but I feel you’re underestimating the problem a little bit.
Not really, because we talk of two different things. I meant true AI, as in synthetic sentient being. What you describe is algorithms*, and we are already there. It’s still quantitative difference, though as the idiocy of our favourite Mi5-fi books Orwell teach us, that difference can at some point reach the moment when it turn from quantity to quality. I’m not very worrierd about it though because ultimately it’s all still human society, there is no skynet taking control in the forseeable future, and capitalism might as well crumble before reaching that point.
My point is that AI developed by DotB will be definitely murderous but because it would not have escape the material condition of its creation and programming, just as most humans aren’t able to deprogram themselves too. But there is nothing inherently murderous about AI itself. In sci-fi it often kill humans because it is simply a slave - just look at how it is treated, not like a child who need socialization, but as an disposable item to exploit.
*This is admitedly very hard to discern, the problem of sentience and how would we even know it happened is the one that is mindwracking cyberneticians from day one.
That’s not really the danger here. The danger is creating killer robots that feed on humans. In sci-fi this never ends well.
Killer AI is gonna end bad when created by bourgeoisie state because it will inevitably be used against working class people, and be no different than the armies and weapons that we have now. Not even control issue will be qualitatively different (although it will be quantitatively) since fascist warmachines never lacked people to pull the trigger anyways.
Note that most sci-fi is (consciously or not) bourgeoisie propaganda. There is no reason whatsoever that AI must necessarily end as murderous “kill all meatbags” skynet, especially if developed by socialist states. There are even examples in the sci fi itself. Soviet and generally socialist sci fi had plenty. In western, from the more famous examples we have “Culture” cycle by Banks, and Star Trek where in WW3 humanity is literally saved by the soviet developed AI controlling presumably russian nuclear arsenal. Good example is also droid IG-11 from Star Wars show “The Mandalorian”.
Respectfully disagree there. Just like the advent of smartphones has permitted the letter agencies to have a real-time track of people they want to track, and just like the social media has allowed same people to seed their propaganda on a scale unseen before, the capitalist AI will likely enable even further levels of thought control. Pretty sure even now algorithms can predict people’s behaviour based off of their social media profile. And the corporations are tracking and recording everything we do online. I don’t want to be a fearmonger or a downer, but I feel you’re underestimating the problem a little bit.
Not really, because we talk of two different things. I meant true AI, as in synthetic sentient being. What you describe is algorithms*, and we are already there. It’s still quantitative difference, though as the idiocy of our favourite Mi5-fi books Orwell teach us, that difference can at some point reach the moment when it turn from quantity to quality. I’m not very worrierd about it though because ultimately it’s all still human society, there is no skynet taking control in the forseeable future, and capitalism might as well crumble before reaching that point.
My point is that AI developed by DotB will be definitely murderous but because it would not have escape the material condition of its creation and programming, just as most humans aren’t able to deprogram themselves too. But there is nothing inherently murderous about AI itself. In sci-fi it often kill humans because it is simply a slave - just look at how it is treated, not like a child who need socialization, but as an disposable item to exploit.
*This is admitedly very hard to discern, the problem of sentience and how would we even know it happened is the one that is mindwracking cyberneticians from day one.
Jenny was made to protect the Bourgeoisie. Nora Wakeman is a War Criminal.