Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn’t that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense?
It’s because you literally said “Chinesium knockoffs don’t matter amirite” when the context isn’t some shitty Arduino clone on Aliexpress, it’s a new 7nm chip in a flagship phone from Huawei that they developed themselves
Participating in the global chip market isn’t the purpose of this new chip either, the only reason it’s causing “tension” with the US is because China isn’t “supposed” to be able to have chips at that level because of the sanctions, when China is perfectly capable of just developing their own
Actually, you heard “Chinesium knockoffs don’t matter amirite.” If you paid any attention, you’d notice I didn’t actually say that. That’s an important distinction.
Chinese chips have a place - in Chinese products. They’re nonexistent in the rest of the world’s electronics industry. That’s because genuine chips are tracked from the time they leave the fab to the time they reach the factory. They’re guaranteed to be exactly what they say they are. China doesn’t participate in this (and has no trust from the industry for all kinds of reasons), so you can’t order Chinese chips by the reel from the big distributors.
Schneider-Electric isn’t going to put Chinese chips in they products. Dell isn’t going to be sourcing real time clocks from Shanghai. No one in the industry - except Huawei’s competitors - is going to be affected by this. This isn’t a judgment call on China, it’s the reality of the electronics industry.
It doesn’t matter what the purpose of the chip is. It matters if it’s going to cause competition in the 3nm space, which it’s not. Which is why I said most people outside the military won’t really care.
And none of what you said explains the comment I was asking about. So why not put your jerking knee under control and answer the question?
Sure, you can buy 555 or Ardiono knock-offs on EBay or Ali Express if you’re a hobbyist, but actual manufacturers avoid them like the plague. They don’t want to risk a run of several thousand paperweights due to counterfeit or off-spec chips just to save a few pennies per unit.
I’m pretty sure Rasmu referred especially to this…
I don’t see the connection. All I see is some rant about communists and being silenced and investigating things. I’m not a communist, so I don’t really care about techniques for being a good one.
It’s common industry knowledge. I know it because I work in the industry.
If you make chips and you want to sell them to electronics manufacturers or the big distributors, there are certain things you need to do and certain guarantees you need to make. Chinese fabs generally don’t - the Chinese domestic market for chips is huge and easier for them to work in.
So you don’t find any of the big suppliers selling their products. Look around Mouser, Digi-Key, Farnell, etc. and you’ll see exactly what I mean.
Are you avoiding Brand X if none of the places you shop carry Brand X?
The bad reputation China has is due to the large number of counterfeit and off-spec chips that originate there. That’s why electronic components are tracked from fab to factory. A manufacturer has to be able to trust their supply chain.
Every now and again a vital component will have a long lead time and some manager will try rolling the dice by buying from one of the suppliers that doesn’t track chips. Sometimes it pays off. Sometimes the company ends up producing garbage and losing tons of money. That only has to happen once to keep a company from trying it again.
For sources, where should I start? Ask anyone in the industry. Hang out on a forum for electrical engineers. Browse the catalogs from the big suppliers. Crack open any electronic device from a major western manufacturer and look at the names on the chips. The truth is obvious once you look. If it interests you, look into it. If not, move on to the next comment.
Of course, the tankies here think I’m just bad-mouthing their paradise, hence the downvotes. But I’m not. I don’t give a rat’s ass about China one way or another. I’m simply stating a fact - most electronics manufacturers will not be affected one way or another by China’s 3nm process.
NO INVESTIGATION, NO RIGHT TO SPEAK
Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn’t that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense?
It won’ t do!
It won’t do!
You must investigate!
You must not talk nonsense!
I think you replied to the wrong comment. Or you’re just spamming.
It’s because you literally said “Chinesium knockoffs don’t matter amirite” when the context isn’t some shitty Arduino clone on Aliexpress, it’s a new 7nm chip in a flagship phone from Huawei that they developed themselves
Participating in the global chip market isn’t the purpose of this new chip either, the only reason it’s causing “tension” with the US is because China isn’t “supposed” to be able to have chips at that level because of the sanctions, when China is perfectly capable of just developing their own
Actually, you heard “Chinesium knockoffs don’t matter amirite.” If you paid any attention, you’d notice I didn’t actually say that. That’s an important distinction.
Chinese chips have a place - in Chinese products. They’re nonexistent in the rest of the world’s electronics industry. That’s because genuine chips are tracked from the time they leave the fab to the time they reach the factory. They’re guaranteed to be exactly what they say they are. China doesn’t participate in this (and has no trust from the industry for all kinds of reasons), so you can’t order Chinese chips by the reel from the big distributors.
Schneider-Electric isn’t going to put Chinese chips in they products. Dell isn’t going to be sourcing real time clocks from Shanghai. No one in the industry - except Huawei’s competitors - is going to be affected by this. This isn’t a judgment call on China, it’s the reality of the electronics industry.
It doesn’t matter what the purpose of the chip is. It matters if it’s going to cause competition in the 3nm space, which it’s not. Which is why I said most people outside the military won’t really care.
And none of what you said explains the comment I was asking about. So why not put your jerking knee under control and answer the question?
What question? That’s the first time you asked a question.
I’m pretty sure Rasmu referred especially to this…
I don’t see the connection. All I see is some rant about communists and being silenced and investigating things. I’m not a communist, so I don’t really care about techniques for being a good one.
I meant that you need sources on how lots of companies are trying to avoid mostly-Chinese originated computer chips
It’s common industry knowledge. I know it because I work in the industry.
If you make chips and you want to sell them to electronics manufacturers or the big distributors, there are certain things you need to do and certain guarantees you need to make. Chinese fabs generally don’t - the Chinese domestic market for chips is huge and easier for them to work in.
So you don’t find any of the big suppliers selling their products. Look around Mouser, Digi-Key, Farnell, etc. and you’ll see exactly what I mean.
Are you avoiding Brand X if none of the places you shop carry Brand X?
The bad reputation China has is due to the large number of counterfeit and off-spec chips that originate there. That’s why electronic components are tracked from fab to factory. A manufacturer has to be able to trust their supply chain.
Every now and again a vital component will have a long lead time and some manager will try rolling the dice by buying from one of the suppliers that doesn’t track chips. Sometimes it pays off. Sometimes the company ends up producing garbage and losing tons of money. That only has to happen once to keep a company from trying it again.
For sources, where should I start? Ask anyone in the industry. Hang out on a forum for electrical engineers. Browse the catalogs from the big suppliers. Crack open any electronic device from a major western manufacturer and look at the names on the chips. The truth is obvious once you look. If it interests you, look into it. If not, move on to the next comment.
Of course, the tankies here think I’m just bad-mouthing their paradise, hence the downvotes. But I’m not. I don’t give a rat’s ass about China one way or another. I’m simply stating a fact - most electronics manufacturers will not be affected one way or another by China’s 3nm process.
Again, I would like to see ONLINE sources and statistics, not just anecdotes of your own experience to appeal to authority. Just to clarify…
Then look them up. I gave you plenty of places to start.
You act as if you gave me any internet forums or sites based around this topic. Just give me one, at least…