I’ve always understood “patsoc” as being a uniquely western left phenomena. Whenever someone here has a critique of patriotism, it’s always been in the context of western left chauvinists like Haz and Infrared urging for patriotism. I think we know why that might be problematic. I’ve never seen anyone here on lemmy/ reddit gzd being critical of Chinese patriotic socialism , cuban patriotic socialism, vietnamese patriotic socialism, etc. The socialism part of the patriotic socialism in those countries is probably more emphasized than the patriotic part I would assume.
Even the tweet in question focuses on Western leftists being opposed to patriotic socialism. One of the people he mentions, Henry Winston, doesn’t really just say “be patriotic”. Here, he delves into the “national question”. He says that the emancipation of men and women are universal notions, and hence, shouldn’t be restricted to theoretical ideas about the Soviet Union (or other AES i would imagine). He later says that we should deal with substance rather form when it comes to this topic. As it stands, there is no coalition government here in the US. There is no significant power that Marxists hold here in the US, so for that reason, ideas of patriotic socialism here in the US is mental masturbation.
I’ve always understood “patsoc” as being a uniquely western left phenomena. Whenever someone here has a critique of patriotism, it’s always been in the context of western left chauvinists like Haz and Infrared urging for patriotism. I think we know why that might be problematic. I’ve never seen anyone here on lemmy/ reddit gzd being critical of Chinese patriotic socialism , cuban patriotic socialism, vietnamese patriotic socialism, etc. The socialism part of the patriotic socialism in those countries is probably more emphasized than the patriotic part I would assume.
Even the tweet in question focuses on Western leftists being opposed to patriotic socialism. One of the people he mentions, Henry Winston, doesn’t really just say “be patriotic”. Here, he delves into the “national question”. He says that the emancipation of men and women are universal notions, and hence, shouldn’t be restricted to theoretical ideas about the Soviet Union (or other AES i would imagine). He later says that we should deal with substance rather form when it comes to this topic. As it stands, there is no coalition government here in the US. There is no significant power that Marxists hold here in the US, so for that reason, ideas of patriotic socialism here in the US is mental masturbation.