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America’s Collusion With Neo-Nazis. Neo-fascists play an important official or tolerated role in US-backed Ukraine. - The Nation
Neo-Nazi threat in new Ukraine: NEWSNIGHT - BBC
Inside A White Supremacist Militia in Ukraine - Time
The Evolution of the Far Right in Ukraine Pg 34 - Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, United States Military Academy (USMA)
An intervention was absolutely necessary…Russia’s intervention in Ukraine that is, to prevent the genocide that the Kiev Nazi regime planned to carry out in Donbass. Whether or not Russia ends up taking all of Ukraine is up to Ukraine, or rather its western puppetmasters. The more they refuse to see reason the worse the outcome will be for them.
Case in point: if there had never been the coup in 2014 Ukraine would still have Crimea. If Ukraine had abided by the Minsk agreements they would have lost Crimea but still have the Donbass. If they had not pulled out of the Istanbul negotiations last year they would have lost the Donbass but still have everything else.
Every time they try to screw Russia over they dig the hole deeper for themselves. So yes, if they keep escalating and refusing to negotiate then Russia will have to keep taking more and more of Ukraine to ensure its security. The longer the range of the weapons that the West gives the Kiev regime the further Russia will have to push the border. Actions have consequences.
The nature of Russia’s government is wholly irrelevant to all of this. Any government that looks out for Russia’s vital national interests and security would be compelled to do the same. We’re not pro-Russia, we’re anti-fascist and anti-imperialist. In fact we are more pro-Ukraine than those who cheerlead them and egg them on to keep commiting national suicide.
Now if the West truly cared about Ukraine they would stop sending weapons, which only lead to more Ukrainians dying and more of Ukraine being destroyed, and start pressuring them to negotiate immediately.
Of course everyone understands that this is not about Ukraine, they are just the hapless proxy, hence the West will continue to push Ukraine further toward its own destruction… It’s tragic but that’s how it is.
There. Was that enough explanation for you or was that too short and glib as well?
I think that most of that is entirely fair.
I mean this doesn’t sound like anything other than shut up and do what Russia says or keep getting the stick because:
Okay but shouldn’t the same logic follow for Ukraine?
This is about as sincere as and the same logic as Republicans that want to make abortions illegal because “black people get more abortions then white people, do you really support eugenics?”.
You’re assuming that Ukraine doesn’t benefit from and won’t end the war on their terms, which with it obviously being a proxy war, i find it hard to believe that Russia will ‘win’
I sincerely appreciate you sharing the general beliefs, I just can’t make that last leap in logic that you are suggesting for the above reasons.
It should but due to the fact that its current government is a puppet government controlled by the West (not to mention full of fanatical ideologues who, to put it mildly, are not on good terms with reality), it does not act in the best interests of Ukraine. The national interest of Ukraine lies in having good relations with Russia. Pre-2014 Ukraine was attempting to balance between Russia and the West, which was a pretty lucrative arrangement for them. They were getting to play the role of a bridge between two very important economies, trading with both and collecting all kinds of transit fees such as on gas.
Unfortunately the US and EU were not satisfied with that and they overthrew that government and installed a fanatically russophobic regime into power that proceeded to destroy Ukraine’s economic viability by irrationally cutting ties with Russia despite the fact that the Ukrainian manufacturing economy had been designed since Soviet times to be intertwined with that of Russia. Then they proceeded to launch a brutal eight year war on their own people simply because those people demanded autonomy and protection from the discriminatory laws that the new - illegitimate - government was passing. None of this benefited Ukraine or the Ukrainian people.
But this is what happens when a country loses its sovereignty, and worse, lets the lunatics take over the asylum. We can argue all day about whether this is fair but the reality is, a country like Ukraine has to take into account the interests of its larger and more powerful neighbor. It is highly unwise to provoke and poke at someone stronger than you until they snap. It is also a fact that Ukraine would be better off if they stopped fighting. It may be hard to swallow for the nationalists but they could start to recover economically and more importantly people would stop dying. Ukraine may dream of ending the war on their terms but that is not happening. There is no indication that that is even remotely possible. At some point you have to cut your losses.