Adapted from our in-progress book The PCP is the most advanced political party of our time. Naturally, it has become a victim of bourgeois propaganda of all types. Strangely, though, it seems to be…
I think it makes some points. Does anyone more knowledgeable on this subject have a different take?
You seriously want to blame tens of thousands of rapes, infanticides, murders of prominent leftists and feminists, and countless other crimes on COINTELPRO?
For all I know, Stalin was never accused of fucking boiling babies alive.
Fuck off. How about you start defending Pol Pot next.
Yeah, but have you considered the capitalist nations are just lying about everything bad the Shining Path ever did, and the people just randomly refused to support them for no reason at all?
Also, those same capitalists are totally right when they say that China is lying about their poverty alleviation efforts though, because China is obviously the devil and it is more important to blindly hate on them than actually deal with the imperial core.
What evidence do you have of infanticide? Y’all take Reddit memes too seriously. This is the first time I’m seeing the accusation of rape against the PCP. Did the Bolsheviks not, in their conquest of state power, murder “prominent leftists” such as the anarchists or the right-opportunist Mensheviks and SRs? The PCP similarly had to fight the revisionist (and actually homophobic) MRTA, and it had to combat state-backed forces and groups siding with the genocidal state.
When did I mention COINTELPRO? Can you even read what I said? Are you willing to engage with me honestly? It seems the answer to those last two questions is clearly “no”.
Every communist is accused of such heinous crimes without evidence. Lenin and Stalin are labelled “ruthless tyrants”, and Mao was supposedly a “sex pest” according to his “private doctor”, though many others close to Mao refuted that. Hell, Stalin is accused of deliberately causing a famine, resulting in infant cannibalism. You people are reasonably principled about those leaders and know to refute those lies, but once the same shit is hurled at the PCP, you capitulate.
Also, it astounds me that you’ll trust Bad Empanada on the PCP, but his video on the Holodomor, while not calling Stalin genocidal, still calls it a fault of the government’s mismanagement, and thus still Stalin’s fault. Anti-Stalin propaganda is bad, but anti-Gonzalo propaganda is good.
I thought his “holodomor” video was decent. He exposes Wikipedia’s anti-communist bias and shows how most scholars know there was no genocide done by Stalin. I’m more suspicious of BE for saying the “Uyghur genocide” is real but slightly less bad than Zenz is saying. He does have a bit of a centrism problem where he tries to avoid any strong position (beside criticizing Israel and US troops, which, based).
Well, he still believes the “moderate” bourgeois historians who blame Stalin himself for mismanaging the famine. Was Stalin perfect in handling the ordeal? No, he could not have been, but he was not at fault for the famine. BE is right to say humans have to cause famine in some way (since natural conditions alone cannot do it), but he ignores the role of Western imperialists and internal saboteurs in aggravating the situation. Thus, he still has these anti-communist, petty-bourgeois views that make him worthy of much skepticism.
I’m watching his video on the PCP right now, and the fact that he rather uncritically uses the state-backed “Truth and Reconciliation committee” when other scholars disagree with it says something.
There’s still a difference between telling a liberal “our people say we didn’t do genocide so we clearly didn’t” vs “even anti-communists admit our leader didn’t do genocide.” The source matters for people even if they eventually realize it’s still bourgeois propaganda.
NOOOOOOO ILL DEFEND YOUR HONOR GONZOLO!
You seriously want to blame tens of thousands of rapes, infanticides, murders of prominent leftists and feminists, and countless other crimes on COINTELPRO?
For all I know, Stalin was never accused of fucking boiling babies alive.
Fuck off. How about you start defending Pol Pot next.
Yeah, but have you considered the capitalist nations are just lying about everything bad the Shining Path ever did, and the people just randomly refused to support them for no reason at all?
Also, those same capitalists are totally right when they say that China is lying about their poverty alleviation efforts though, because China is obviously the devil and it is more important to blindly hate on them than actually deal with the imperial core.
What evidence do you have of infanticide? Y’all take Reddit memes too seriously. This is the first time I’m seeing the accusation of rape against the PCP. Did the Bolsheviks not, in their conquest of state power, murder “prominent leftists” such as the anarchists or the right-opportunist Mensheviks and SRs? The PCP similarly had to fight the revisionist (and actually homophobic) MRTA, and it had to combat state-backed forces and groups siding with the genocidal state.
When did I mention COINTELPRO? Can you even read what I said? Are you willing to engage with me honestly? It seems the answer to those last two questions is clearly “no”.
Every communist is accused of such heinous crimes without evidence. Lenin and Stalin are labelled “ruthless tyrants”, and Mao was supposedly a “sex pest” according to his “private doctor”, though many others close to Mao refuted that. Hell, Stalin is accused of deliberately causing a famine, resulting in infant cannibalism. You people are reasonably principled about those leaders and know to refute those lies, but once the same shit is hurled at the PCP, you capitulate.
Also, it astounds me that you’ll trust Bad Empanada on the PCP, but his video on the Holodomor, while not calling Stalin genocidal, still calls it a fault of the government’s mismanagement, and thus still Stalin’s fault. Anti-Stalin propaganda is bad, but anti-Gonzalo propaganda is good.
I thought his “holodomor” video was decent. He exposes Wikipedia’s anti-communist bias and shows how most scholars know there was no genocide done by Stalin. I’m more suspicious of BE for saying the “Uyghur genocide” is real but slightly less bad than Zenz is saying. He does have a bit of a centrism problem where he tries to avoid any strong position (beside criticizing Israel and US troops, which, based).
Well, he still believes the “moderate” bourgeois historians who blame Stalin himself for mismanaging the famine. Was Stalin perfect in handling the ordeal? No, he could not have been, but he was not at fault for the famine. BE is right to say humans have to cause famine in some way (since natural conditions alone cannot do it), but he ignores the role of Western imperialists and internal saboteurs in aggravating the situation. Thus, he still has these anti-communist, petty-bourgeois views that make him worthy of much skepticism.
I’m watching his video on the PCP right now, and the fact that he rather uncritically uses the state-backed “Truth and Reconciliation committee” when other scholars disagree with it says something.
There’s still a difference between telling a liberal “our people say we didn’t do genocide so we clearly didn’t” vs “even anti-communists admit our leader didn’t do genocide.” The source matters for people even if they eventually realize it’s still bourgeois propaganda.
Do you know any liberal refutations of what you call myths about the PCP in this thread like there were of “Private Life of Chairman Mao”?