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Well put Mr. Tusk.
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TIL Russia’s war in Ukraine is as bloody as WW2
Not from deaths so much as emigrations and secessions.
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37 before war.
6 displaced abroad (unhcr)
7 displaced internally.
So around 30 left officially
And Germany is taking on 1 trillion Euros in new debt to protect against Russia, which is currently spending less on its military than the EU, while fighting a war.
citation needed.
I’ve seen the €800b figure but that’s the EU as a whole, not Germany on its own
Germany is currently planning a “whatever it takes” spending plan of 500 billion for infrastructure projects and an equally high, but potentially unlimited amount for defense.
https://www.ft.com/content/ee20978f-bbcd-4616-954c-7749dc5334fdOver 10 years
So ok, that’s not one trillion.
Paywall so can’t see whats written in that ft article. Deutsche Welle says 400bn for defense plus 500bn for infrastructure investment over 10 years
Nobody is begging. Politicians are using “defence” as a leverage to enpower and enrich themself
Seeing as I invented this meme I’ll overuse it
He knew that before Trump’s election but didn’t make it an issue. He also knows that it implies that Russia will never attack Poland, let alone Poland allied with Europe.
What’s the real need for the strengthened military?
What’s the real need for the strengthened military?
same as it ever was
Doesn’t Russia want to see Nato entirely gone?
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No.
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There is tons of EU countries troops in Ukraine, but officially they are all “volunteers” and “mercenaries” but there’s also some more or less official NATO soldiers serving as military advisors, trainers etc. There’s also events like the Polish general Marczak suddenly dying in sketchy circumstances coincidentally on the same day when Russia heavily bombed one of the mercenary bases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
“For more than a decade, the United States has nurtured a secret intelligence partnership with Ukraine that is now critical for both countries in countering Russia.”
Sorry, are you talking about Poland? Then yes, Poland is part of NATO and there is US presence there, I’m not sure about other countries having a presence there. I thought you meant Ukraine, which is not part of the NATO.
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There are no boots on the ground from NATO in Ukraine; They receive support and aid in the form of money, weapons, intelligence, training, and material. They still have an economy, and have international trade, so it’s not as if they’re not paying for anything themselves. Much of the aid they receive is then spend on material from the country that gave the aid, arguably the US defense industry, amongst others, makes money of this war.
They’ve been keen to join NATO as a deterrent for Russian aggression, with very good reason. They’re fighting an existential threat. Putin has made no secret that he doesn’t consider Ukraine a country.
This concerns all of us in ‘the West’, because we’ve built our democracies around a concept of freedom and trade that the likes of Russia have been working very hard to destroy.
Most every Russian troop being killed is via drone. Something like 96% of those drones are produced in Ukraine. Funding a war is expensive, especially when you are vastly out numbered population wise. Of course they want as much aid as possible.
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Where are you sourcing that from? (That’s way higher than most are claiming for either side) Also, that has nothing to do with what we were talking about
Not by a long shot. Even Ukraine only claims in the region of 800,000 casualties on the Russian side, the majority of which are wounded not dead.
Intent aside, wouldn’t it be easier to shore up current defences? Ukraine is already the NATO crumple zone, it would make more sense to keep them at that line.
Now for blind conjecture. Perhaps trump sold out Ukraine to allow Russia to have the minerals and oil of Ukraine. In exchange, Europe gets the constant threat of WW3. Americans, scared to stay where they’re at, but are more terrified by the prospects of open war as it sweeps across countries, stay on American shores.
I don’t like referring to people fighting for their culture, society, family and future as a “crumple zone”.
I’m not crazy about the concept, either, but I’m also going to call a spade a spade. When Ukraine falls, the front will shift to new borders, introducing war and displacement to new areas. If Russia advances, all of Europe will have been able to help prevent it, but did not. They would have let Ukraine get ground to dust for a few years, only to fall anyway. Sure, they helped a little, with training and supplies, but the death toll is uniquely Ukrainian.
welp thats what US and lackeys ultimately made Ukraine to be
Get used to it cause it’s the fuckin truth.
Seriously, what in the lack-of-empathy did I just read? Empathy isn’t that hard. Imagine you lived there. Your loved ones. How would you feel about it then?
Edit for grammar.
Empathy might be hard. It just depends on the Person, mental state, perspective, etc.
If empathy would be easy, then why did Trump win?
Because propaganda hits harder. They have empathy for the poor kids that are being forced to be transgender and gay by their parents. They have empathy for the people losing their jobs and being raped by immigrants.
Kits that are being forced to be transgender and gay by their parents
Mate, I think whatever propaganda you’re talking about, worked.
