• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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    Meanwhile, it’s either ignorant or utterly disingenuous to claim that CPC switched back to capitalism. So, lets’ correct some of your nonsense here.

    All the core economy in China is publicly owned, and this accounts for around half of the overall economy. Far from switching to back to capitalism, CPC allows some capitalism in special economic zones. Arguing that this makes China capitalist is akin to arguing that Canada is communist because we have free healthcare here.

    On top of this, China has lots of cooperative ownership with huge companies like Huawei being cooperatively owned. Meanwhile, workers enjoy high degree of participation in the decision making process.

    And of course we can see that work in China is being directed towards common benefit as clearly evidenced by the fact that China is the only place in the world where any meaningful poverty reduction is happening.

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      It’s disingenuous to claim that China isn’t capitalist when the majority of its productive population lives in or near the “special economic zones” by now (aka the large cities in the south) and by far the most of it’s GDP comes from capitalist ventures (this includes Huawei).

      Yes it retained some pockets of socialism in the rural country side and their capital city to keep up appearances.

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        I’ll repeat this fact once again since your reading comprehension is evidently lacking: all the core economy in China is publicly owned and state owned enterprises account for half the economy. And you’re now arguing against cooperative ownership as well here?

        Yes it retained some pockets of socialism in the rural country side and their capital city to keep up appearances.

        Some pockets being half the economy. You show an amazing lack of intellectual honesty bud.

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          You do know that state-monopolist capitalism exists and is practiced in many countries, not only China?

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            What both you and I know is that China has very different outcomes from actual capitalist states. Of course, you’re unable to acknowledge this basic fact since your whole nonsensical argument would then unravel.

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              Yes China is (so far) an example of a successful capitalist country. Your point being?

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                My point being is that you keep calling China capitalist when it’s demonstrably not. To sum up, China is a country where Marxism-Leninism is the official state ideology, it’s governed by the communist party, vast majority of the population are communists, all the essential economy is state owned, but according to you it’s actually capitalist. Some serious galaxy brain logic happening here.

                I especially love the chauvinism inherent in your argument where you evidently think that you understand what communism is better than 1.4 billion people in China.

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                  You go ask some people living in Shanghai what they think about their “communism” while shopping Gucchi handbags and driving a Tesla.

                  Or those slaving away at Foxconn to produce iPhones for the west… really nice “communism” for sure.

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                    87.6% of young Chinese identify with Marxism, and the party has 95 million members. Obviously though, you understand what communism is or how to achieve it much better.

                    I love how you can’t wrap your head around that the real world can’t live up to some Platonic ideal of society. What you’re doing here is creating a false dichotomy where anything that’s not a perfect classless and stateless society is capitalism. And apparently there is magic dust you have to sprinkle to turn a capitalist society into a communist one in a blink of an eye.