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- chapotraphouse@hexbear.net
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- chapotraphouse@hexbear.net
Where is the communism that current day fascism is fighting?
IMO Its China and the perceived Communism that exists. What I mean is Americans and current American leadership have been drinking the red scare sludge for basically their entire lives, so real communism doesnt need to exist to be fought against, just perceived communism.
Like “cultural marxists”, socialized health care, education etc., unions, workers rights, etc
The truth of reality that communism is the only way to fight climate change.
Or freeing the Indigenous people from the authoritarian rule by the European immigrants in the British diaspora so the Indigenous people can stop plagiarism by European immigrants of the environmental achievements by Native Americans, stop ongoing land thief to create “natural parks”, and make the European immigrants bear all the pollution that they dump into the Federal Reserve concentration camps.
If fascism is capitalism in crisis then communism is the crisis it was responding to the first time. Organized workers fundamentally threatened capitalism.
I don’t agree that it is fighting communism this time. More likely it’s reaching the limits of the infinite growth that it requires. Local markets are becoming increasingly anemic and distant ones are either already exploited or are pushing back against foreign capital.
Capitalism threatens itself and fascism is it’s last gasp.
What do you mean by communism?
The quote says that fascism emerged as a response to Marxism-lenninism. Fascism has once again emerged. If the quote is to hold true, what is it in response to this time?
To put it differently, I don’t agree with the quote, I think fascism emerges from capitalism and is a necessary destructive force for capital to later rebuild on to keep the rate of profit going. Like an uroboros.
Good points. A few rejoinders. Not to disagree so much as to expand on what you’re saying.
I’m unsure if it’s accurate but the quote is dated 1975, when the USSR was still a world power. Not that I disagree with the principle, though. I’d say communism begins with (or begins to emerge alongside) workers organising against capital. It’s a long process, which can be divided into stages.
Then fascism is the reaction to worker organisation. Again, it’s a process that can be split into stages.
From this perspective, the October revolution is the first time that workers were organised to such an extent that they could expell capital from a state. As such, it requires a more extreme reaction from capital, which must utilise states of its own. We see a complete restructuring of Germany, Italy, Spain, to prevent their own revolutions. I.e. capital’s reaction to Marxism-Leninism.
As for today, as workers continue to resist capital, the forces of reaction continue to push back. Marxism-Leninism has been contained to a few countries for now. But the fascists are waiting in the wings to protect capital if progress towards communism increases pace.
In the meantime, many fascist practices have simply been built in as a prophylactic. So much so, that it’s been naturalised and assimilated into vanilla liberalism.
Maybe Fidel’s is colourful language where ‘fascism’ may need to be replaced with ‘forces of reaction’ in some places. The overall sentiment seems true.
Anyway, this is where I agree with you: reaction turning into fascism is intended to re-secure capitalism after it faces certain shocks.
fascism hasnt gone away since its first emergence though