Saw this thread, and it really hit a chord with me, as these similar fears tend to constantly weigh on me (for various reasons- being trans, ethnic Chinese, commie, etc).
I think we all (leftists, but also just most minorities) know, shit is bad and will get worse, it’s just a question of how bad it will get. People mention it offhand without usually going further into the details, and similarly in other spaces - non-leftist ones as well, for instance Asian diasporic and LGBT spaces in my experience, these fears come up, but ultimately we keep the bulk of our concerns to ourselves. What are our expectations here, for the west? Not just for the US, but the Anglosphere and Europe?
If a proxy war starts with China, shits gonna get bad instantly for the diaspora
Canada went from not thinking about Indian immigrants to hating them in like 3 years despite 0 state propaganda against them
Russians got hate crimed when they invaded Ukraine even though they’re white
If China doesn’t get into any military fights, I’d give it like 10-15 years until Western citizens start lynching Chinese diaspora with little repercussions from the state
Just look at how rampant the racism got from 2000-2010, then 2010-2019, then 2020-2024 for Chinese people. Gonna be exponential every year from now on especially with the state propaganda
I remember violence against Chinese people spiked around covid, and the sort of person who’d do that isn’t too picky, so it was against East Asians generally
And against southeast and central Asians, Pacific islanders, and even some indigenous (incl. indigenous Latinos)…
As someone who’s seen how the hate against Indians has exploded (as well as how first nations are treated, etc) I have to agree, shit will get bad.
TBH in regards to the lynchings without repercussions, I’d argue that on the smaller scale (individual violent hate crimes with intent to seriously harm or kill) we’re already at such a point, somewhat…
I agree, but they’re still putting on a veil of stop asian hate
Soon people will be supporting killings as long as they give some explanation of them potentially being a spy
This rhetoric is already happening in Silicon Valley where a lot of my coworkers have been discussing how they want to report some of their Chinese coworkers to internal security and the FBl because they think they are “CCP” spies sent to infiltrate American big tech with the rational that suspected coworkers say they like Xi and that China is a better place to live than USA
“You’re an evil Chinese spy and I’m gonna report you to the government!!!”
“I miss China”
“I FOCKIN KNEW IT!!!”
It really do be like that
hell, my family has been out of the mainland for at least 3 generations on both sides AFAIK (SG/Malaysian Chinese).
Are they? Seems to me like they’ve more of just stopped talking about anti-Asian hate crimes (though at least part of it may be being too keyed in to Asian diasporic spaces and getting cabin fever over it myself).
As for that…
while I knew that the witchhunts were ongoing in STEM, against community orgs, etc… it’s another to hear of the other side of the picture. That it’s “a lot” of your coworkers wanting to get in on the action in your experience is actually much worse than what I’d expect, despite having seen a lot of shit where I am…
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Bro I’m Australian there is literally at least one news story a week as well as entire book isles dedicated to yellow peril style “sneaky evil Chinese” shit.
Are you serious? Australians are racist as fuck I see them doing it just as enthusiastically.
Answered this in other responses.
if you live in an anglo settler colony you are kidding yourself if you think what’s under your society’s mask is substantially different from what you see in seppos
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Black nb. I used to think it wouldn’t happen to me anymore all the time, because I don’t live south of the Mason-Dixon anymore. There’s a such thing as ‘being lucky’. You just haven’t had cause to see it yet.
Settlers are the same the world over, regardless of what nation they’re illegitimately holding.
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Cool Australia has no racism, that’s sick
I didn’t say that. I said the lived collected experience of Asians that I know (partner, workmate, friends) is that they haven’t experienced any direct racism for a decade plus. I’m not saying there’s no racism. Quite obviously there is in many variations, and yes there had been an increase during Covid. But I categorically do not believe that it has escalated like it has in places like the US and UK.
From what I’m seeing from Chinese students perspective, Australians seem about as bad as Americans and hate crimes have also ramped massively since COVID
Not to mention Australian media isn’t any less racist or hawkish towards Chinese
Admittedly I’ve also heard similar, not even from PRC Chinese. From Asian diasporic groups, and from friends and family (who are Singaporean).
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Yes clearly your partners opinion out weighs the many hundreds of Chinese nationals posting about their experiences on social media
Cracker ass move
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“my partner hasn’t experienced racism, therefore racism doesn’t exist. You are just dismissing her lived experience”
I’m British moron
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Fingers crossed it doesn’t get that way, then. Once I’d have liked to say the same about Canada (granted back then I also didn’t realize how infinitely fucked some ever-ongoing things against the First Nations are) but whether it be “Chinese” (anyone looking east/southeast Asian), “Indians” (anyone looking brown), or “Muslims” (anyone looking generically west Asian/north African, or fitting the western stereotypes of Muslims in some aspect or another) I think any of the above could certainly happen, in some ways we’re in the early phases of this (hate crimes and lone-wolf individual attacks with what may as well be state complicity).