cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20911849
By Umar A Farooq in Washington
Published date: 30 September 2024 11:01 BST
Damn she should probably change her policies to not supporting genocide if she wants those votes
I won’t blame someone for not supporting a genocidal pig.
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Incoming anti-Muslim hatred from Liberals in 3…2…1…
Just bewilderment. Because snubbing Harris will get you Trump. Who’s a great friend to Gaza /s. So cui bono?
Both are genocidal, letting the DNC get away with genocide solidifies their position. That’s the logic, that the DNC can get away with literal genocide as long as they aren’t the GOP, and in the eyes of Liberals, that’s correct.
You seem to think that letting the more genocidal republicans win would encourage the democrats to be less genocidal, which is bizarre.
They move right when they lose to compete with the republicans because the republicans win with a right wing strategy.
If the democrats won all the time, the republicans would have to move left just to regain power, and the Overton window would move left.
Not voting for the democrats in order to move them left is insanity. They will respond by copying the more successful electoral strategy.
You seem to think that letting the more genocidal republicans win would encourage the democrats to be less genocidal, which is bizarre.
They are the same. They both support Israel undyingly, Biden is even sending in the troops.
They move right when they lose to compete with the republicans because the republicans win with a right wing strategy.
They move right because that’s what their donors want.
If the democrats won all the time, the republicans would have to move left just to regain power, and the Overton window would move left.
No, they wouldn’t. Fascism is Capitalism in decay, both parties are always moving rightward.
Not voting for the democrats in order to move them left is insanity. They will respond by copying the more successful electoral strategy.
If the Democrats don’t want to regain left votes then they are too far gone and we need a revolution.
You’re currently a Trump supporter. If you don’t want to be one, you can stop.
You’re currently a genocidal pig supporter. If you don’t want to be one, you can stop.
Nah, fuck Trump. The only way I could be seen as a Trump supporter is if you think voting for genocide should be the default.
You’re currently batting for genocide, imperialism, climate collapse, and World War 3, but you can stop.
The first-past-the-post voting system sucks; the resulting two-party system sucks; but right now we have to operate within it. The mathematics of that system entail the simple fact that if you discourage people from keeping Trump out, you are helping get Trump in. That makes you a Trump supporter.
The first-past-the-post voting system sucks; the resulting two-party system sucks; but right now we have to operate within it
Only if you think voting is the extent of political action.
The mathematics of that system entail the simple fact that if you discourage people from keeping Trump out, you are helping get Trump in
And if you encourage getting Harris in, you are helping Harris get in, who has promised imperalism, genocide, World War 3, and failed Climate action.
That makes you a Trump supporter.
In 20 years you’ll look back at yourself, if leftists have managed to prevent the end of the world, as someone who supported a fascist regime and refused to lift a finger against it. I hope you’ll come to your senses much sooner than that.
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The first-past-the-post voting system sucks; the resulting two-party system sucks; but
The hand-wringing isn’t the worst part, but it’s definitely the most annoying. “Don’t worry, I’m disavowing Harris while I vote for her in my non-swing-state, so it doesn’t count even as she uses those votes to claim legitimacy just like Biden did”.
Everyone who is not with us, is against us. Traditional (lack of) logic of fanatics.
Both hate Arabs and Muslims, Trump is just honest about it. Both support Israel unconditionally, the reality on the ground will be exactly the same, only the rhetoric will change.
No but blindly vote blue
Trump would be worse than the 20 billion dollars of pre approved bombs I can assure you
No such thing as a bad Democrat candidate amirite
Vote blue until Gaza is through, amirite?
I’m going to be blunt and straightforward about this.
According to Wikipedia, Islam is the third largest religion at 1.1% at about 3.5 million people. Compared at Judaism is at 2.07% at about 7.5 million people.
On the issue of supporting Israel for their horrible acts on the regions surrounding them, morality aside and by just looking at the numbers, if you get 100% of the Muslim American support, you would need about 2 million Jewish Americans to break even.
Which I think is more doable than ignoring the Muslim American population and hoping 47% of the Jewish American vote offsets the 3.5 million Muslim American vote.
Also if they have to appease the corrupt war companies that fund the party, just send the weapons to Ukraine.
Remember that many of those Jewish Americans are either anti-zionists or don’t care either way. Meanwhile almost every single Muslim American cares about the issue and will likely vote Democrat if they do anything but actively cooperate with genocide.
100%, Dems are throwing the election.
If just going by votes, it makes me wonder what is holding the Democrats back from getting the Islamic American voters.
It can’t be just be the war companies, they can just send those arms to Ukraine.
Hundreds of humanitarians and journalists were murdered in Gaza. That should be enough not to support them.
A lot of Israeli money. AIPAC is just the most well known.
Israel serves a geopolitical purpose destabilizing the Middle East and suppressing development of rival countries (e.g. assassinating that nuclear physicist in Iran).
Take it from Biden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM
Israel is a country-sized military base that mostly pays for itself, and has one of the best intelligence agencies in the world (or maybe their rivals are just that bad). If Israel didn’t exist the Middle East would probably be much more united by now under the leadership of one or two regional powers instead of everyone but Iran and Syria being a US proxy.
I saw a poll 3~6 months ago finding israel is ranked like the 4th issue for American Jews. The overwhelming majority don’t care about it enough to change their vote for it. They certainly won’t vote for Trump over a Democrat arms embargo on israel.
That’s interesting and happy to hear that.
Considering that the KKK endorsed Trump, their only option is either voting third party or not voting if they decide not to vote Democrat.
You can’t just look at the total numbers and %'s because not every vote has equal weight, the way the electoral college is set up and fptp elections means votes in contested states and districts count for much more than if you’re from a highly partisan area.
Trump: bans Muslims from the USA as one of the first things he does as president. Muslims: he’s our guy!
What makes you think they support either genocidal candidate? If
hitlerharris wants those votes, she just has to stop supporting genocide; it’s not that hard.Unless you think demanding someone to not support genocide is too much?
Republicans: literally write “finish them” on Israeli bombs.
Lemmy.ml users: the important thing to learn here is not to vote for the more leftwing candidate. Only by giving electoral success to the most right wing party will we convince the more moderate party to move left. They will see the right win and all the polling show that right wing policies win elections and will realise that they should do the opposite of what the republicans did to gain power.
Because Trump and his party are known for being so supportive of Gazans. Idiots. Things DEFINITELY won’t get better under Trump for anyone.
