The title pretty much says it all. I’ve always struggled to connect with others, but the farther I find myself outside of societal norms, the harder it gets.
I’m still trying to figure that out because I have this issue too.
I’m here to raise my hand as well
That’s the neat part: you don’t.
I had to explain to someone that I cut ties with a friend after they became a neo-nazi and they responded with, and I quote “You know, you just need to be more forgiving of people” which prompted me to remind them “they became a Nazi” - “Well, you know…”
what you are saying is very abstract, like what societal norm are you getting rid of? do you want to run around naked or something
Have you considered moving somewhere that’s better aligned with your values? It’s not something to undertake lightly, but I know that moving helped me a lot. Totally different situation for me though.
For me it was basically just moving somewhere bigger, even if I didn’t get much better at making connections just knowing it was possible made a difference.
Good luck to you.
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You have more in common with normies than you think. Focus on that and ignore the rest. Example. A few years ago I lived walking distance away from a barber shop and a salon. The barber shop was always packed and the salon was always empty. I started going to the salon to save the wait. I found out why it was always empty. The owner was a massive Trump supporter and would rant about politics all the time. But it was always empty so I kept going there. Over time I realized how easy it was to have a conversation with her if I picked the right topics. Insurance, cable companies, the price of gas. Basically, all of the ways we’re getting fucked.
Regular people have opinions about the things we talk about (privacy, consumerism, AI etc.). So, it’s really easy to strike up a conversation. Try it the next time you are waiting in the self checkout line. “You wouldn’t believe how many times that thing has accused me of stealing…” “IDK about you, but whenever I have to select produce, I pick the cheap one.” “Did you know they use the security footage to make computers smarter?” “I heard xyz thing about smart cars.” “They terk er jerbs!”
Don’t lean into it too hard or be too technical. Set something up and let them do most of the talking. Then ask another question. Listen even if they are wrong. Use your expertise to guide them to what they already know, but don’t actively think about. Everyone knows google spies on us or social media is harmful. Get them to think about how and why.
Getting as deep in the weeds as we are is definitely isolating, but when you approach things this way, you find you have more similarities with the average person than differences.
So the question is where to find chaotic/ anarchist people like yourself who don’t follow the rulez. I’d like to know, too. The answer is probably to get to know A LOT more people so you higher your chances to find someone compatible.
Which norms and why?
Breaking free from societal norms because they are norms will not get you anywhere.
Wearing a shirt that says Fuck you and being a glum dick about everything wont win you friends or convert anyone to your cause.
Being approachable and listening to others in order to connect with them as a human… Then when they ask if you want to hail satan as is the norm and you say no, my friend, for I only praise the Sun. They may be more inclined to see some sun followers as not total assholes as they pray to our dark lord
Itf youre in a situation for it, it can be fun to move to a placewhenre others choose a different societal norm more in line with your own ideals. Like Florida, where some child labor laws were repealed… Take that societal norm
I’ll give my humble opinion here, I’m not a professional of course.
DISCLAIMER: This is just an opinion, from an anonymous random person from the internet. I’m not a professional, and I don’t know you. However, if you can’t handle it yourself, I do suggest to try to do it with a professional.
What you feel is not loneliness, but the real feel of freedom. You tag it as loneliness because you have never felt it before, and (I guess) nobody around you can acknowledge that because they are attached to social norms, meaning they are not necessarily free as they want to.
Breaking from social norms create a sudden big space in your life, where one can call it freedom, and one can call it loneliness.
It’s up to you what you feel this space with, and how you look at it. And it’s only you who can acknowledge it, nobody else.
Generally I wouldn’t recommend breaking entirely, but to balance it in a healthy manner, e.g set the limits that you (and only you) genuinely feel good with.
In my case, I quit using Facebook and Instagram in the past years, and naturally, things that are genuinely fit me started to sink in and fill it.
In the context of connecting to others, when you live your live genuinely, the people that will fit it the most, will come to your life naturally.
It’s tricky to do it today because we have a lot of channels that manipulate our social norms (e.g. social media, people around us, tv, e.g.).
Enjoy your freedom and genuineness mate.
Fellow lonely person here. No, it’s definitely just loneliness.
I hate the mantra I’ve often heard spewed that “if you stop looking for friends/a significant other/whatever”, they will naturally come to you. No, just no. For a small portion of people, they are lucky enough that this happens to them. But for the majority of people, finding relationships takes work.
As a kid, it was easy. Adult life is different and relationships no longer just fall into your lap like they did when you were in school. Ever hear people lament that making friends is harder as an adult? It legitimately is. We get caught up in work and home life and don’t necessarily have all these extracurriculars to meet people that we may have had as kids or young adults.
I don’t have the answers to OP’s specific scenario, as I’ve always struggled with this too. But telling someone “no, you’re not lonely” when they’ve expressed their loneliness…and telling someone “don’t bother seeking people out, they will come to you” is incredibly counterproductive “advice.”
Edit: I did some reading and it appears that OP is intending to transition. It’s incredibly unfortunate that unsupportive people exist nowadays and it must be hard to suddenly lose your friends and family like that. But the solution isn’t to stay there. It’s to leave and find a community of people that accept you. People won’t just magically come to you unless you stumble on a stroke of luck. You have to seek them out yourself.
Thank you for sharing, I added a disclaimer for emphasizing that it is just an opinion, and I’m not a professional.
I wish you the best.
