China's struggling property developers won't be getting a major bailout, authorities indicated, warning that those who "harm the interests of the masses" will be punished.
Y’all are dancing on this, but if they go through with it, this is going to cause a run of panic that will wipe out the savings of hundreds of millions of people.
It would in the west, in China they do a controlled crash, i mean it’s already happened, one of their biggest housing companies already crashed and it did not caused anything except rise in home ownership among the people.
There’s a high percentage of Chinese workers that invested their savings in real estate instead of having a pension. And there’s no welfare*, which means a lot of people who will be left on the street when they are too old to work.
*After a complain, I did some research so I can provide enough clarity on my statement:
A new pensions system was built on top of the previous communist system (1986~1990s), then in 2004 the gov added enterprise annuities and finally, an IRA system was launched.
This last part was launched in 2022, which finally covered about 1.05 billion people.
There is though a difference in which plan can someone join, depending on their residence permit (either rural or urban).
The residence permit doesn’t have a link to where you live, so a rural hukou won’t become an urban hukou just for moving to the city.
Why does this matter? Well, an urban hukou will get about $461 US dollaridoos, while the Old-Age Insurance for Urban and Rural Residents plan (entirely used for rural residence permit holders and unsalaried urbant residents), it’s about $25 US dollars and a smile.
The why enterprise annuities didn’t work (0.25% of companies enrolled) is a very complex one but let’s say is mostly due to the abnormally high statutory pension contribution rate.
So up until 2022, a little more than 500 million people had few options for extra savings beyond those $25 dollars/person, and that was real estate (you know, the thing that always goes up).
With IRAs now, and a possible conversion from the two main basic pension plans into a centralized one, it’s possible newer generations will have a foothold for a safer savings method, however there are several challenges on the horizon:
All the economic turmoil of COVID-19, foreign firms moving out, pandemic lockdowns, etc… is making it harder to strengthen the pension system.
Demographic issues and high youth unemployment.
Runs on small banks.
Recent cuts on local health care benefits.
The statutory pension contribution rate was lowered, but is still about 16% Iirc. This means though the pension bags are getting 4% less full every year.
Altogether this could very well be a ticking time bomb.
There’s a high percentage of Chinese workers that invested their savings in real estate instead of having a pension.
That’s why no bailout. Only the regular folks getting curbstomped by this one.
Edit - Well, this was a wildly unpopular comment, but I don’t know why. 8 people who think everyday folks are as likely to be bailed out as the 1% I guess. Since none of them bothered to comment, I can only speculate.
China has said they will bail out the regular people. What they’re doing is they’re buying the homes at a discounted price from the people and turning them into subsidized housing. To quote the article:
“We will scale up the building and supply of government-subsidized housing and improve the basic systems for commodity housing to meet people’s essential need for a home to live in and their different demands for better housing,”
So there’s no bailout for the property developers but they are controlling the loss for regular folks.
I’m sorry people downvoted you without explaining that. I know it’s hard to read the entire article sometimes.
Well it’s also important to note that western media is intentionally not reporting on this properly and putting what I said as remarks at the end of articles. There’s two reasons for this.
This has never happened before. Countries usually just bail out their property developers and hope they’ll build cheaper housing. IE USA Circa 2008. So we really don’t know what the outcome of this is. Wall St of course hates this and is terrified of this. I mean if it works and other countries follow suit in the future, what would that mean for all the Wall St. billionaires.
Obviously the usual China bad narrative. The west really really doesn’t want any Chinese actions to be viewed in a positive light.
So here’s a Korean article that explains it better and isn’t as influenced by western media.
The key take away point is, stop believing US media, it’s absolutely shit propaganda. I’m not saying China is good, hell I agree with the Koreans that this might not work, but for the love of god don’t believe USA.
Don’t be sorry that people downvoted. This site attracts uninformed bullshit like flies to shit, and a lot of us are just tired of explaining to everyone that the facts are there in the article. My limit is 25 wildly incorrect but confident comments before I stop trying to inform people.
Someone buying an unfinished building likely already has a home. If they don’t they can buy one for much cheaper now since housing prices have gone down cuz of the real estate bubble popping.
Evergrande already went bankrupt in 2021 and the general population in China have been mostly shielded from the damage (except the poor billionaires though 😢)
How were they shielded? Do you have a source I can read? I’m genuinely interested.
I remember reading that there were protests because people bought condos and were essentially told they were never going to get completed. Did those people get a refund from the government or the company?
Not afaik. Anyone buying an unfinished condo though likely already has a home, specially since China’s home-ownership is about 90%.
And if they don’t, they can buy one for much cheaper now cuz house prices have gone down thanks to this real estate bubble being popped. And China already has 600 million vacant homes.
Y’all are dancing on this, but if they go through with it, this is going to cause a run of panic that will wipe out the savings of hundreds of millions of people.
It would in the west, in China they do a controlled crash, i mean it’s already happened, one of their biggest housing companies already crashed and it did not caused anything except rise in home ownership among the people.
There’s a high percentage of Chinese workers that invested their savings in real estate instead of having a pension.
And there’s no welfare*, which means a lot of people who will be left on the street when they are too old to work.*After a complain, I did some research so I can provide enough clarity on my statement:
This last part was launched in 2022, which finally covered about 1.05 billion people.
The residence permit doesn’t have a link to where you live, so a rural hukou won’t become an urban hukou just for moving to the city.
The why enterprise annuities didn’t work (0.25% of companies enrolled) is a very complex one but let’s say is mostly due to the abnormally high statutory pension contribution rate.
So up until 2022, a little more than 500 million people had few options for extra savings beyond those $25 dollars/person, and that was real estate (you know, the thing that always goes up).
With IRAs now, and a possible conversion from the two main basic pension plans into a centralized one, it’s possible newer generations will have a foothold for a safer savings method, however there are several challenges on the horizon:
Altogether this could very well be a ticking time bomb.
Lol. They’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel with China Bad propaganda
There has always been and will always be government bonds.
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Ah NOW it makes sense.
That’s why no bailout. Only the regular folks getting curbstomped by this one.
Edit - Well, this was a wildly unpopular comment, but I don’t know why. 8 people who think everyday folks are as likely to be bailed out as the 1% I guess. Since none of them bothered to comment, I can only speculate.
China has said they will bail out the regular people. What they’re doing is they’re buying the homes at a discounted price from the people and turning them into subsidized housing. To quote the article:
So there’s no bailout for the property developers but they are controlling the loss for regular folks.
I’m sorry people downvoted you without explaining that. I know it’s hard to read the entire article sometimes.
Ah well my cynicism was unwarranted and I should have more than skimmed the article. Thanks for the clarification.
Well it’s also important to note that western media is intentionally not reporting on this properly and putting what I said as remarks at the end of articles. There’s two reasons for this.
This has never happened before. Countries usually just bail out their property developers and hope they’ll build cheaper housing. IE USA Circa 2008. So we really don’t know what the outcome of this is. Wall St of course hates this and is terrified of this. I mean if it works and other countries follow suit in the future, what would that mean for all the Wall St. billionaires.
Obviously the usual China bad narrative. The west really really doesn’t want any Chinese actions to be viewed in a positive light.
So here’s a Korean article that explains it better and isn’t as influenced by western media.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/xi-jinping-s-socialist-solution-china-s-response-to-the-real-estate-crisis/ar-BB1iDuXM
The key take away point is, stop believing US media, it’s absolutely shit propaganda. I’m not saying China is good, hell I agree with the Koreans that this might not work, but for the love of god don’t believe USA.
Don’t be sorry that people downvoted. This site attracts uninformed bullshit like flies to shit, and a lot of us are just tired of explaining to everyone that the facts are there in the article. My limit is 25 wildly incorrect but confident comments before I stop trying to inform people.
What about all those unfinished buildings that people got in debt to buy?
They are not needed. There is no one to live in them.
They have over a billion excess homes. It was the only thing that normal people could invest in so they just kept building.
If you bought one as an investment, nobody is going to buy them from you. They are worthless.
Which is good, because it keeps costs of living down, amiright?
But what is the actual real-world practical solution for those people?
Are they now just going to be broke (or even in debt) with no place to live?
Someone buying an unfinished building likely already has a home. If they don’t they can buy one for much cheaper now since housing prices have gone down cuz of the real estate bubble popping.
Evergrande already went bankrupt in 2021 and the general population in China have been mostly shielded from the damage (except the poor billionaires though 😢)
How were they shielded? Do you have a source I can read? I’m genuinely interested.
I remember reading that there were protests because people bought condos and were essentially told they were never going to get completed. Did those people get a refund from the government or the company?
Not afaik. Anyone buying an unfinished condo though likely already has a home, specially since China’s home-ownership is about 90%.
And if they don’t, they can buy one for much cheaper now cuz house prices have gone down thanks to this real estate bubble being popped. And China already has 600 million vacant homes.
This also coincides with the CPC moving funding from the overinflated real estate sector to the high tech sector btw.
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After 2008 they’re gambling, not investing.
It’s zero sum to the population. Every dollar lost by an investor is a dollar saved by a new family buying a home.
American developers need to go bankrupt the same way if they won’t make accommodations affordable