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Finally. Now my thousands of tabs will be hidden behind hundreds of tabs groups!
For real, I already have different groups for tabs, they’re called windows.
But now I will be able to have tabs within groups within windows within desktops!
Fascinating.
This is the part I absolutely don’t get about this. Plus windows create a better visual boundary for the context-switch tab groups are supposed to be as you minimize one and restore another.
Why not just use windows? 🤷 I sure hope they keep the implementation of this simple and end up just doing that for the user. Create new tab group -> color-coded new window opens up, gently nudging the user towards how simple the solution to their problem actually is.
Tab groups in chrome are something I dearly miss from chrome. It’s super convenient for grouping projects and quickly switching between them. Multiple windows is a worse experience: there’s no preview favicon or anything to indicate what a window is actually for until you hover over it. With a tab I can see at a glance what something is before I switch.
Every instance of the same program eats memory
I really don’t understand people who don’t close tabs. I start with a fresh browser window multiple times per day.
We start with a fresh browser window multiple times per day too. Except we also have multiple other windows of tabs minimized already.
This reminds me that I once “accidentally” closed about half of those windows - each ~200 tabs - of my then GF. Took her over a month to notice. Tells you all about how useful tab hoarding actually is.
This guy gets it.
You might still need those tabs though. You probably don’t, but you might.
You’re right, I don’t. And since browsers come with this really neat feature called “history”, it’s not like I couldn’t trivially re-open them again as needed.
It’s far easier to have your history cluttered than you might think, and then finding the sites that you need or might need becomes harder.
Exactly. Whereas my 1000+ semi-ordered tabs are way less cluttered.
Yeah but you might forget that you need those tabs. Maaaybe they weren’t that important then, but maybe they are.
I think that “weren’t that important” indeed hints at how I keep/toss stuff IRL, too.
I toss a lot of shit. I don’t keep stuff around for that one hypothetical use case that might crop up in 5 years. Most stuff sells surprisingly well second-hand, and this frees up a lot of money I had otherwise lying around doing fuck all for me.
I don’t have enough time in the day or week or month or year to do everything I want to, so I keep my tabs open until I chip away at them one at a time. It takes a long time, but it doesn’t mean that the tabs aren’t useful to me and won’t remain useful months later.
That’s me with YouTube videos, sometimes I would see a video on recommended that interests me but don’t have time to watch it immediately, I have to open it on a new tab otherwise I would never find it again. Sometimes it takes me days to find the time to watch it.
You can add interested videos to playlist “Watch later” and it will available on all devices with your account
I don’t log in to YT to watch any videos, I alao use Newpipe and Stube sans account. Grouping them in Tabs to get to is great for me.
I very rarely visit that page. I actually have videos there saved from years ago.
I only have this behavior on mobile. Idk why
Why not just bookmark the tabs? Put them in a folder in your bookmark bar called “To Do” or something and they’d all be right there.
Cuz then I’ll have thousands of bookmarks like I already have now
Here’s the fun part - I already do that. Bookmarks are for ultra-long-term links (1-2+ years minimum), tabs are for short-to-long term links (1 day to 1 year).
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I have one tab per email account. A few for github issues I’m waiting to be fixed. One which is some random search I just use as reminder. None of which I have closed in months. I literally have a script to boot them up on my second monitor everytime I boot my pc.
This is unironically the truth.
JUST WHAT I WANTED!
Firefox had tab grouping first. Before Chrome. And then it broke support for it when they did the add-ons overhaul. I’m surprised bringing it back wasn’t a high priority…
Achutucally Opera had it first, back before it ditched Presto.
I remember those days. I was so sad when it went away.
IIRC the old tab groups feature was eventually removed because telemetry showed that only very few people used it…
That’s because us power users know to turn the telemetry off and also have it blocked on our network.
Right, but then you shouldn’t be shocked to find out that a feature was removed because nobody seemed to be using it.
No, I expect Mozilla to know their market and use other means (like focus groups or surveys or something) to figure out which features are actually popular, instead of lazily using a bad metric.
Mozilla knows their market. Because of said telemetry.
How do you think that works? For any other app?
Hint:
(like focus groups or surveys or something)
Not like this. Because they have both shown to be absolutely terrible for this general market preference research.
Did you miss the part of the conversation where folks were pointing out that lots of users turn the telemetry off?
Your reply is as tone-deaf and non-responsive as sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling “nuh uh!” like a toddler.
If you want to be persuasive you’ve got to prove that the telemetry is somehow useful in spite of many users turning it off, and you’ve done absolutely fuck-all to argue that.
You are committing the same mistake as you accuse me of:
many users turning it off
[citation needed] [how many?]
For all you know, maybe the 15 very vocal users in here are the only ones who turn it off. Or do we know that many users do it? How many? 5%? 50%? 95%?
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Watching people use Chrome, fucking nobody uses it there either, except for work situations where on FF, you’re supposed to be using Multi-Account containers anyways.
It didn’t help that they hid the button in the customize menu and made the feature not discoverable.
I used Panorama a lot. Was sad when it went away
I hope Firefox implements a great and robust tab grouping feature. Because they used to have one that worked beautifully.
Firefox used to have Panorama view, which was a way to group tabs with a nice visual interface. …and they removed it because not enough people were using it.
…Well if you stopped removing useful and perfectly functional features, maybe you wouldn’t need to rebuild them later when it turns out people do want that feature, huh, Mozilla?
There’s an extension that reimplements Panorama and it kinda sorta works like it used to.
Your link made my day. Thank you.
THIS, im using n recommend it to everyone
Oh that’s pretty neat Is there a way to make panorama view not hide tabs ?
I use Tile Tabs WE for something similar
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/tile-tabs-we/
Took a while to get the hang of it, creating layouts and such
Thank Christ.
Can they also be synced container tabs Mozilla? As in synced across devices. I know there’s a container tabs add on you can get, but it doesn’t sync from my laptop to my desktop to my phone. Would be awesome if they did so natively.
While you’re at it, could you add tree style tabs natively in Firefox? Pretty please, with cream on top.
Container tabs do sync in recent versions of firefox
https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2020/02/06/multi-account-containers-sync/
Hallelujah!
See for yourself, it has almost 3,000 votes now. 👇
lol… some features requests on Android have many more votes and are being ignored by Google… like ad-hoc Wi-Fi
But Android has far more users than FF.
What’s Ad-Hoc WiFi?
it’s direct WiFi connections between clients (no router involved)
Ah, thank you very much.
Please give me vertical tabs to I can switch to FF
There are Extensions to do that if you want.
They require a lot of tinkering for a half-arsed result. Built in vertical tabs like in Vivaldi or edge work and feel much better with just a single setting.
There’s a fork of Firefox which have this feature in built known as Floorp which I personally use.
Maybe you want to try the Tree Style Tabs or Sideberry extension.
I just use power tabs. gives me vertical, grouping, search, sorting, and some rules behaviour you can do but I don’t use that last part.
Coincidentally, they are working on that too
I think its possible with themes
it is, like with this one or various other themes.
Difference with this one is that it doesn’t need an extension like Sidebery
Oh god, yes please. I would love to have that!
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I’m well aware of what Vivaldi can do but I refuse to support Chromium’s monopoly. In fact, it’s the only reason why I use FF.
Firefox is open source and not chromium tho. Using Chromium still helps Google push their standard as the web standard. Firefox and Safari are the only two pillars standing up against Chromium we have now.
Vivaldi is pretty cool… Although most features I don’t need. I have a hard time breaking up with Firefox.
I was using Vivaldi as my living room TV PC browser because it was kind of a one stop shop.
Eventually I found plugins and mods for Firefox that did only what I need.
RSS feed sounds pretty amazing. What site can it read?
Presumably every site that supports RSS? RSS is standardised.
Just use Tree Style Tab
I feel Sidebery is a more polished spiritual successor to TST.
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These people think the sidebar is a pretty neat idea.
It’s interesting, but it wastes to much of the screen.
True, sadly I’m unable to stop using tree style tabs after getting accustomed to it years ago. It’s one of those rabbit holes I’m unable to climb out of, similar to modern keyboard layouts.
Don’t be sad. I’d say you’re doing it right! Vertical space is much more limited than horizontal on 21st century monitors, and tabs are wide, not tall. Tree tab UI enables semantic layout (showing you practically unlimited levels of nesting), plus they always give you consistent room to read page titles. Why should the usability of tabs decrease as you open more of them?
The vertical tab bar is still there though as it’s apparently not removable? 😞
Found the 4:3 fan.
This is absolutely not a replacement for the tab group experience Chrome and Edge offer
Absolutely this, there isn’t anything currently from what I’ve found that gives the easy experience that Chrome/Edge has.
Only thing that I’ve been missing when I moved from Edge, apart from PWA support.
Yeah honestly all the other solutions are just copium. Chrome tab groups are exactly what a tab group should be. It’s simple and useful. That’s all I need, all I want.
powertabs will give you vertical, grouping, search, sorting, and some rules behaviour
Does it mimic the functionality of chrome group tabs perfectly?
I would say its superior. You can create and add tabs to groups. expand and collapse them. make rules for certain sites to auto open in a group you made. sort based on url or name or last used. rename them. move the groups around visually. I do use it with the vertical tab view and tend to ignore the top bar though so it may depend on your usage.
It seems a bit too much like glorified bookmarks to me. I’m glad you find it useful though :)
I mean you can say that about any tab add on really. You could mostly get it from some sort of auto bookmarking add on that additionally updated it based on browsing within a domain maybe and auto discarding on close although it still would nto quite be there because it would discard to much if you kept several tabs for a domain. I mean it might be able to recognize multiple tabs and save the bookmarks alright but the auto reaping I bet would mess up.
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I’m away from my PC so I can’t name it but there’s another plugin similar to Tree Style Tabs. The creator claims that TST takes up a lot of resources. I do notice Firefox taking a lot of CPU/mem but that’s probably my fault. I’ve tried both and either works well.
Might be talking about Sidebery. I like them both and switch back and forth
I’m glad they decided to bring back this feature. Really missed having it.
This was such an old feature/idea. Cool to see old idea getting new life.
Tab Stash. Don’t need nor will ever need anything else.
Fact that they survive shutdowns because they can live and travel in your bookmarks is a great feature. I use Nextcloud Bookmarks and not FF Sync and they work great.
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Nice! This is the one thing in other browsers that I wish I had in Firefox.
This is what has been keeping me on chromium for my study partition. I would love to use Firefox, but I need to group tabs by class. Once Firefox implements this I’ll be able to drop google products completely.
I’m using FF tab groups and Sideberry, other than the occasional link getting opened in the wrong group I haven’t had issues. I really need to test Chrome and it’s profiles to see what the fuss is all about :D
This is exciting - after the demise of Panorama I used Quicksavers Tab Groups plugin, then when that died I moved to Simple Tab Groups, which to me is a good enough clone of Panorama. But something more modern would be super nice.
Promising news. Hopefully Mozilla will start listening to people again.
Come now, let’s not expect miracles.
I’ve been using Ungoogled Chromium at work just for the tab grouping. I’ll gladly use Firefox 100% if this is as good.
