Neil deGrasse Tyson is the living embodiment of “Ackchually”. Every time I hear anything about him, it’s because he’s never heard of suspension of disbelief and makes stupid comments “correcting” anything that was obviously made for artistic or philosophical purposes.
After his interview about plant aliens coming to Earth and looking in horror at how people eat vegetables, I refuse to listen to anything that this man says. I used to really like him as a kid, shame.
That’s ironic, on the flip side you have people in the ufo/alien circles who are upset because of his statements that no other civilization would ever want to visit or study this planet.
The book also wasn’t, shocking i know.
Almost like, and hear me out on this, science fiction isn’t science, but fiction.
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A lot of science fiction should instead be called science fantasy.
I mean, honestly, the phenomena in the book were surprisingly plausible.
Obviously the movie took some liberties here and there, either out of necessity or purely for style, but pretty much everything in the book at least has some semblance of a connection to our current understanding of science.
I don’t think seeing into the future using drugs and the crazy women cult with power to control people with their voice was really aiming for scientific accuracy.
Best part where they had genetic memories from after the genes were passed.
The books went to some pains to convey that memories after birth were not passed along. Haven’t watched this flick though.
No, they weren’t going to any lenght to show that, iirc Leto II and some BG admitted to have memories of many deaths, which would be impossible if those were genetic memories. The only one who legitly could have those was the last Duncan since he was ghola made from the amalgam of genetic material from many previous gholas, and even in his case it was explicitly said he had memories he shouldn’t have.
It’s just magic.
Which is still complete bollocks, of course. Your genes don’t get continually updated with memory data while you’re alive, or even change at all.
Stay off the drugs, Frank.
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I mean yeah, genetic memory would kinda suck for the purpose they have in those books, you would just see a million years of childhoods and youths. Alia would probably organised the craziest parties in empire though.
that couldn’t be explained from the new offspring’s perspective?
Not really, they mentioned memories of death, so assuming most people do not get concieved after the death of their parents (specifically mothers in case of BG) means those aren’t really genetic memories but just magic.
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When Jessica changes the water for the Fremen and they all get drunk on it, which should be a moment in this movie
No, spice orgy is one of the many scenes from books that got cut out in the movie. Interestingly, i noticed that Verhoeven read the book very throughly, but the book he read was apparently Messiah and Children, since a lot of scenes and few important characters are cut off, but there is A LOT of things that should be in the 1st book considering what happened in the books 2 and 3, but weren’t since Frank Herbert did not plan the books, just wrote on the moment for the most time. Paul in the new movie very often sounds much more like the Preacher from Children of Dune than like Paul from 1st book.
they’re able to feel each other’s minds much like the BG can feel the genetic memories that are consciousnesses within them
Some people can predict the future there so why not limited telepathy
And in the books I feel like I recall they mentioned that this is when the older tribal shaman dies, and they feel her death here, and her consciousness then lives on within Jessica.
Yes, that is explained more in books 5 and 6. This was done by the Fremen, and then spread to BG when they started to use the water of life, but that require conscious effort of real Reverend Mother, and i meant the old non-RM memories. Also it would still not included death in most cases since it was done before every time.
Then again, the movies may go a different route and I may be off by a bit. 🤷♂️
In case of Ramallo scene the movie was exactly like the book.
The Bene Gesserit control people by knowing how to modulate their voice to trigger people’s base instincts. Like, that instinct that tells you to run when you hear a tiger’s roar, or shiver when you hear a whisper. It’s just that, cranked up to 11. Iirc, they can only really use the Voice on a person after having studied them to find what they will react to (or if they happen to be particularly weak-willed).
As for seeing the future: Computers were replaced with humans long ago in Dune, but they continued to fill and develop those niches with the human mind. Future-sight is essentially like a supercomputer running a simulation, which is why Paul is able to see the future better when he takes spice, or the Water of Life. By gaining the latent genetic knowledge of his ancestors and thereby having more data to work from, he is better able to run these mental simulations.
The explanations were thorough and fun (in my opinion), just not the most scientific. But I think Dune, like star wars, was always more of a space opera than hard scifi. It definitely does a better job, but if your looking for a better “predict the future with data” scifi story, then foundation is a better fit from that era.
Foundation is awesome. It also has a very fun BBC radio drama on archive.org
Man I sure hope the year 10191 isn’t considered scientifically accurate by 2024 standards
Newsflash!
Neil Degrasse Tyson secretly aspired to be a mentat; is sore he’ll lose cred if he reveals same.
All of these comments expressing distaste with Neil deGrasse Tyson’s character. I want to hear what people think about the actual criticism though.
(For those who didn’t click: sand absorbs sound, so there’s no way worms can hear thumping. Also, how do the worms move while rigid/straight.)
The criticism is of course accurate enough. It’s even addressed in the books - there is some discussion in the books about “drum sand”, but it isn’t really elaborated on in the movie.
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Fun fact, it actually does come up in the dialogue of part 1 when Paul and Jessica are running for the rocks from the sand worm, just before they meet the Fremen. It’s under some of the music/ambience but Paul steps onto some and there is an audible thump before he notes that it’s drum sand, so it is very briefly brought up.
You can see the scene here:
You just have to read the books. It’s a very good piece of science fiction
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It’s based on a soft science book about a guy who can see into the future, has a super-computer brain and controls people with his voice. In later book a guy’s clone gets his dead memories because he was ordered to kill his buddy. Another guy lives for 3000 years by putting worms on his skin.
It’s a fun series with some philosophical themes. I recommend it. scientific accuracy was not a goal and seems beside the point, but it makes sense for a science entertainer to have something to say about it while it’s trending
P.S. their plated skin is involved in their movement. Think it’s less a wriggle sometimes and more like a sound wave. compress expand?
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and everybody forgets about the robots…
the worms arent entirely rigid, they’re made of armored segments. and what’s wrong with moving while being straight? lots of snakes do that.
In the book (and in the first movie) they specifically talk about “drum sand”, in the book it’s explained that it is a specific condition of the sand bed due to wind or something. Maybe Neil missed that?
I get his point about worm movement, though.
I assume the worms move with something akin to jet propulsion. They suck sand in the front continuously and it travels all the way through them and out the back.
Mfer is like the Krang version of a Reddit brain
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Famed astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson once again has a scientific bone to pick with a motion picture.
This time, per The Hollywood Reporter, Tyson’s qualms are with the second installation of Dennis Villineuve’s “Dune” series — a film in which a superhuman cohort of women use a special voice to perform mind control and a very bald Stellan Skarsgård floats through the air.
But as the scientist explained an appearance on the “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert” last week, his issues aren’t with the superhuman magic of it all.
According to online forum discussions and a 2017 study, Tyson’s right: sand is pretty good at absorbing noise.
But as Tyson points out, pretty much all legless, worm or snake-like creatures on Earth have to slither in S-shaped lines if they want to move forward.
Colbert and Tyson then went back and forth with some worm movement theories; the former offered that perhaps they have some sort of propellant system on their underbellies, while the latter wondered whether they might simply be “pooping really fast.”
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No shit.
He’s just jealous of mentat calculation abilities and making up any complaint he can possibly think of to discredit the franchise.
Regardless of what Neil deGrasse Tyson says, the movies sucked.
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At least the original movie (the “bad” one from 1984… wait … what the fuck? ooohhhwweeeeooohhhh) was interesting to look at.
