Hardcore gamer = someone who plays only cinematic grizzed white dude games and/or military fetishizing FPS

Casual gamer = anyone that is not a 15-25 yo male, and/or plays anything outside of the previously mentioned games, especially if those games are colorful.

So basically the gaming community is full of gatekeeping, misogyny, toxic masculinity and general chuddery. They make sure they’re the loudest voice heard when anything about games is talked about, and won’t be happy until all games a homogenous stream of bland, hyper-realistic but with a grey filter slog of mindless action with no heart or soul. And don’t you dare force them to read any dialogue or story.

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    In 1980 something, Nintendo of America made the decision to sell the Nintendo Entertainment System as a gendered toy

    This would later be considered a bad idea and roundly mocked

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    I think the early 2000s PS2 era was the peak of modern gaming. Colourful games, decent 3d graphics. The FPS era hadn’t fully began on consoles yet.

    The less said about the late 2000s, the better. That’s when all the “gatekeeping, misogyny, toxic masculinity and general chuddery” really got kicked into overdrive. Every game got a sepia piss filter as well. And after that we got the blue filters which were somehow even worse.

    • Oh god I am in an eternal struggle against the „creatives“ and their constant use of disgusting filters which destroy the natural colors. Tho I must confess I loved the golden filter of deus ex human revolution and the grain filter of ME1 and yes even the brownish tints of dragon age, I know I am bad haha.

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        Honestly some games benefitted from the piss filter, like Fallout New Vegas. If it were made with modern graphics I would want them to keep the piss filter instead of being vibrant like Fallou4 76

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        Filters have their place tbh. Sometimes it makes a lot of sense aesthetically.

        The issue is falling back on it to the point it becomes a meme.

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          I am currently doing a replay of like old rpgs and I‘ve finished dragon age like a month ago, personally I didn’t find like sad at all, maybe if you like get the worst outcomes, the only thing that made me go „huh“ was when characters tell like random tales and they go „…and then they were brutally assaulted and murdered“ which often feelt like a bit edgy for edgys sake. Also like why would anyone defile the ashes? Tbf the brown filter did work for me only in like certain areas.

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    I don’t care that much tbh because while the “gaming community” is indeed dogshit (personally I’ve stopped playing any sort of public multiplayer game since voice audio became the norm anyway), we also seem to be in a golden age of independent awesome video games, including specifically ones with dialogue and story. And the small sub-community of players of those are usually much saner and welcoming.

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    These people should be locked in a room and forces to play nothing but 50 turn Mario Party rounds for the rest of time

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    I think a big point is also the transition of everything being so damned online now (not gaming but communities and discourse) that what initially was gaming in the 90s and early 2000s (casual gamers, kid gamers, and then weird grown ass chud adults) were very much compartmentalized and separate. Nowadays with Youtube you had the fallout of gamergate create a self feeding subculture that propagates among dissatisfied mainly white young males who utilize one of their hobbies (gaming) as escapism from all the shit capital loves to do (alienation) and create an exceedingly angry stigma to project on anyone entering “their” space that does not conform. Add in how chuds screech the loudest and angry engagement clicks and comments lead to algorithm feedback and you have one of the worst video genres ever of usually a scruffy bearded angry lmayo being gobsmacked they have to look at a minority in a video game for even a single fucking second but utilizing safe dogwhistles such as “woke” and “sjw” to “debate about it” (though that second one is falling out of style).

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      The entire fake-friend “parasocial” streamer industry is fucked up. It meets a need that terminal stage capitalism established by feeding that need with the social equivalent of high fructose corn syrup. With a little fascist messaging, as a treat. heated-gamer-moment

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    G*mers never had a chance.

    The 70s saw the development of really old games like Dnd, essentially some STEMlord’s pet project. Many of these ancient games were tied to Dnd, where the reactionary Gary Gygax’s influence in Dnd was completely dominant.

    The 80s continued that tradition with games like Rogue and Nethack. This was also when Nintendo exclusively marketed the NES as a “boy toy.” Both of what could be retroactively labeled as indie and AAA gaming were firmly men only. Arcades tended to be dominated by men as well.

    The 90s further perpetuated this trend with the console wars between Nintendo and Sega, with Sega pushing really hard as the cool and definitely being played by dudes with 'tude console. If you looked at Sega ads during that time, they were all hyper-trying-too-hard-masculine.

    The 00s, while carrying the misogynist torch, reflected a qualitative shift in its misogyny. The 00s, or more specifically, 2001 was when Halo 1 was released on the Xbox. This game, more than any other, was what pushed gaming from some nerdy shit into the mainstream. With the mainstreamification of gaming came the dudebros. The previously misogynist nerds were transformed into misogynist dudebros, and the dudebros carried their toxic competitiveness into gaming.

    The 10s was when esports, or more specifically L*ague of L*gends, became commercially viable. The esportification of games began and along with it, the toxic competitiveness seeped even in games that weren’t designed to be competitive. And it pains me to say this, but speedrunning contributed to this as well. Suddenly, you started hearing about the “meta” and “optimal strats” in some indie platformer. And of course, G*merg*te sealed the deal by politicizing gaming, making g*mers consciously reactionary.

    I have checked out of gaming so I can’t give you a rundown of the 20s, but it’s more of the same shit honestly. The seeds were sown during the 70s, with each subsequent decade nurturing the seedling, until it blossomed into some hideous plant with G*merg*te.

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      I hate esports i hate how Riot took all the actually fun modes in league like OFA and nexus clash and the pve game modes and decides to only make them appear in rotations (or not even appear for pve modes) because apparently Riot only cares about competitive and ranked play.

      Also hate how certain characters like Azir is effectively neutered because its too good for the highly coordinated esport teams, whose gameplay barely resembles even the highest ranked play.

      Billion dollar game cant even afford to support other game modes.

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        LoL says “here’s a game and some pieces tailor-made to play it” while DotA says “here’s some toys and a sandbox, it’s out of my hands now” and I think about that every day

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          LoL says “here’s a game and some pieces tailor-made to play it” while DotA says “here’s some toys and a sandbox, it’s out of my hands now” and I think about that every day

          hell yeah, same

          honestly I think dota’s way should be the way for fun+challenging games in general

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    I dont understand how MOBAs becomes one of the biggest esports when gameplay consists of farming and the teamfights are full of visual bloats that unless you spend 100 hours reading the wiki including the fcking patch notes you understand absolutely nothing. Like just to give you a glance"buy physical attack because everyone does this and this guy wields a sword" but also stuff like “buy this magical attack because these dagger wielding assassin scales magic attack”. Why is the goddamn dagger considered magical?

    Like at least in stuff in counter strike the game despite some other tactics such as lineups it still overall easy to understand (plant the bomb and kill the enemies),.

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      Epic G!mers got so locked into what Real Pro Esports Take This Seriously Please MOBAs were supposed to be that they bragged about how a foregone conclusion match could drag on for over a half hour and just invite more enraged slur flinging all the while. The “meta” of the entire thing is so bleak and joyless that when I directly asked a few enthusiasts, in person, what they actually enjoy about it, the most common answers were, I kid you not, “the winners make money” cryptocurrency and “the drama; people get so mad.so-true lea-why

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      Same way that Harry Potter became a cultural icon, very fucking aggressive marketing to burn it into peoples brains everywhere they look. This isn’t a joke btw Harry Potter is an example of some of the most aggressive book/mass media marketing ever done and set a precedent for extracting as much capital as one can from a source.

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        Same way that Harry Potter became a cultural icon, very fucking aggressive marketing to burn it into peoples brains everywhere they look. This isn’t a joke btw Harry Potter is an example of some of the most aggressive book/mass media marketing ever done and set a precedent for extracting as much capital as one can from a source.

        Agreed, and as another example, Game of Thrones was the Grown-Ass-Adultman version of the same kind of aggressive pervasive marketing and media exposure. I tried to watch that edgy hog slop many times, including “this part will hook you” awooga libertarian-alert hypersus clips recommended by associates, and long after I gave up and wanted to just ignore it I kept getting media blasted, everywhere, even in like doctor’s office waiting rooms, with magazines with front page WHO MURDERFUCKED THEIR WAY TO THE IRON THRONE THIS WEEK?! DAE LE RED WEDDING DAE LE SHAME hog slop smeared all over them.

        I learned way too much about that show through sheer involuntary oversaturation. It’s like it soaked through my skin. kombucha-disgust

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          Yeah GoT was an interesting watch for me during college and was something that was a insta conversation starter whenever you just met someone and knew jackshit about them but were sure they at least watched GoT. It was also pretty amazing to watch it get morphed into another HBO skinemax show with similar asthetics very quickly (then again the books themselves also have some squick as well so GRR doesn’t come off completely clean).

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    I agree with your complaints towards the apparent predominant gaming culture. But I also believe that there have never been more indie games that are contrary to that culture or just ambivalent to that culture than ever before.

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    games mechanics become watered down due to the profit motive and challenging games are fun, this whole thread feels like just contrarianism to spite a vocal minority turning being a HARDCORE GAMERRRRR into a personality trait shrug-outta-hecks

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        if you mean people restricting themselves to “manly” games thats also a loud online minority, i mean nintendo still makes the most popular games out there and stuff like undertale has sold how many millions now? so saying the gaming community™ is “full of gatekeeping, misogyny, toxic masculinity and general chuddery” is hard to believe

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          so saying the gaming community™ is “full of gatekeeping, misogyny, toxic masculinity and general chuddery” is hard to believe

          what planet are you from

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          i mean nintendo still makes the most popular games out there

          sorry i dont get mad at people inside my head ig

          Both the Smash and Zelda fandoms have plenty of toxic chuds like yourself, ones that show up out of nowhere to concern troll and vomit ableistic bullshit if they feel like their treat is endangered by discussion of it that isn’t 100% support of the status quo.

          undertale

          Oh yeah, totally no toxic bullshit in the Undertale fandom, either. Never ever. doubt As an Undertale enjoyer, I can acknowledge that toxic fandom being a problem, unlike you.

          Go away.

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    The “ethical game journalism” days, to freeze-gamer gaters, looked like this. https://i.imgur.com/P37EDfX.jpg

    I know that’s an ad, not journalism, which is the point. They don’t want journalism. They want hype waves and to feel bazinga about what they buy without any downer talk whatsoever.

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        Uhh…😅 I did…

        I thought it would basically be No Man’s Sky. Fly around to planets and do stuff. But the designer himself flamed me on USENET so I quit following it and never played.

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      A lot of them didn’t even get that even the early Duke Nukem games were already mocking this shit as immature misogynist garbage. Which is how we got the dumbster fire that was DN Forever.

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        Randy Pitchford has always been a piece of shit but a big part of it was not getting what made the Duke Nukem franchise funny and instead doing what he thought was funny in DNF, which was some really fucked up sadistic stuff that basically had a rimshot sound after it was presented.

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    I honestly think the skinner box click button get dopamine cycle of single player action games is specifically damaging to a human 🧠 in ways we won’t understand for decades. Between that and gambling type games that are just gambling with extra steps, we have a wide array of ways to do weird harm to yourself while being alienated under capitalism

    A better world exits. MMOs allowed for beautiful social experiences. MUDs and like VR chat allow for self exploration. Fighting games have a diverse worldwide community dedicated to sharing and self improvement. Sport games allow people to explore important parts of their lives in new ways. Plenty of things I missed besides. But all way better than Gamerism.

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      since I’m a newbie and just getting into SF6, I’ve been trying to find good streamers to watch that haven’t been “cancelled” or problematic or are ragers when they lose. mainly stick with Justin Wong, Maximilian, and Japanese streamers lol.

    • The smash community has been pretty horrific over the years even by gamer standards.

      Street fighter just got a massive influx of new fgc players so I can’t really tell.

      Guilty gear community is very supportive of Bridget

      By the sheer virtue of being a mixed bag the fighting game community probably wins least toxic.

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        The smash community has been pretty horrific over the years even by gamer standards.

        There’s something about Nintendo fandoms that makes them more tribalistic and toxic on average than competing equivalents.

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            Well that too. The intersection of “family friendly” labeling (which means predators have a slightly easier time reaching children there because they’re simply that much more available to reach as a norm) and really regressive nostalgic memberberries marketing for Nintendo products (which leads to tribalistic bullshit and toxicity) seems to enhance both issues.