Yeah people don’t seem to realise that in some parts of the world remote school has been normal for decades. There are rural parts of my country where they had to do that long before covid.

What I think had more negative psychological side effects was watching grown boomers throw tantrums over wearing masks. Why would kids take anything seriously after that? Adults can’t even do the bare minimum so why should they?

bro I went through the lockdowns. Yes a lot of kids got covid but fucking every kid went through lockdowns, and it has had a marked impact on us. All your classes just became a joke and then the summer was basically identical to the school year, and you couldn’t see your friends and all the summer activities were canceled and you spent all damn day with your parents OR your parents were considered disposable by society OR their work directly involved covid so you had that hanging over your head. The lockdowns were necessary, and should have been stricter, but that does not make them a good thing and doesn’t mean they didn’t have some very bad consequences for the kids that went through them.

i mean the remote school went for a very long time from March 2020 until end of 2021 and early 2022. staying inside all the time could indeed change people’s perceptions. like how most people don’t even have proper timeline of events during lockdowns because of lack of anchor points.

Was it getting infected with a disease that causes brain damage 4 or 6 or 8 times already

yea i didnt say actual covid caused brain damage didnt make it worse.

watching their parents and guardians do nothing but feed them back into the meat grinder so they could go back to work?

what are you supposed to do? work went back to ‘normal’ before schooling did.

edit: i think people on this site look at western lockdowns during March 2020 and government assistance given during that time and think ‘pog’ but people’s experience with lockdowns weren’t the same in the Global South because there was no welfare or stimulus checks because of World Bank/IMF imposed deficit constraints. Many global south countries still haven’t recovered from it (K Shape Recovery).

We shouldn’t allow our understanding of phenomena to be determined purely by our opposition to the ideas of specific groups of people. That is basically the way in which chuds and to a lesser extent libs approach their analysis, and it’s part of why they end up with such an incoherent understanding of things.

It’s pretty clear that the need to socially isolate from one another for months at a time during the early period of covid had effects upon people. These have been shown in academic and governmental research. Hell, the entire experience of the pandemic was extremely traumatising imo. To be open to the idea that lockdowns had effects upon people’s mental health, or upon the development of children (particularly young children for whom a few months is a significant period of their lives) is not to say that the lockdowns weren’t necessary. But to deny any effects because you recognise that there was a need for lockdowns but see such a recognition as a chud talking point is ultimately to engage in the same kind of anti-scientific thinking as anti-lockdown chuds

I will say that lockdowns definitely affected my brother and I. My family was pro lockdown, even when our society wasn’t, so we self quarantined for a year and a half, starting halfway through my senior year of highschool and ending my sophomore year of college. In my case, I missed everything freshmen use to get acclimated to campus, and lost all social intellect. It took until this year and a lot of therapy to regain some modicum of self respect, and even then I’m not to where I used to be. As for my brother, he missed all the same things but for middle-high school, and he became a germaphobe who could not leave the house. He’s since been diagnosed with ADHD-OCD.

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My wife is a teacher currently working with pre K, but most of her time she’s worked with 4th and 5th graders. She tells me that there is definitely something going on and it was probably caused by the shutdown. It’s not that the shutdown was not necessary, but to be completely honest most people do not give a fuck about their kids development and during that time it’s hard to believe kids weren’t just on their phones and iPads the entire time watching garbage instead of being in school learning SOMETHING. She very much describes it as drug addicts having unlimited access to their drug of choice and then one day having it taken away. Of course they’re not going to adjust to the situation well. Again not saying the lockdowns weren’t necessary, but it really shows how little we’re prepared for anything like Covid. I see a lot of people in this thread saying some wild shit that feels out of place with my wife’s experience at the time and also what she’s experiencing now.

I don’t see how so many people are saying this. My wife is dealing with similar problems with children as young as 4 they don’t know how to write their names let alone know what anything you’re describing even is.

This is something that definitely feels like is happening. A LOT of teachers have quit and are quitting because of Covid and its consequences. There’s no way that doesn’t lead to more privatization and home schooling where crazy chuds start raising their kids like “proud patriots” or whatever.

Didn’t CRT and Transphobia culture war shit get much worse during COVID Era too? Especially because of constant right wing propaganda being fed to people, lack of access to treats, people being mad at basic health measures like masks etc.

i think the there has been effects on children outside U.S. too. in many global south countries, covid resulted in children dropping out of school and working. im not from the U.S so i do not have any empirical evidence about it (because all the research on this is western-centric) but i do think 2020-2022 did fuck up children psychologically.

I often try to reframe the same thinking when my mother complaints about her students. It is true that for the last 2-3 years though that the kids had an especially bad behavioral track, but with the new class the consensus seems to be more that they’re better behaved in a general sense. I also try to point out that her generational framing is inaccurate since they’re literally children and children of any generation can be absolutely awful. I also try to point out that in general most of the families that “aren’t involved” likely aren’t lazy, but instead overwhelmed with keeping above water that enforcing education becomes a lot more difficult.

Then there’s the job itself, she’s usually putting in 10 hours a day at school, brings home work some times, they don’t get the planning periods they need, shortstaffing sometimes requires them to cover other teachers’ classes, the special education department was gutted with them mainlining all but the most disabled of those students, they’re constantly making changes in processes that really have no need beyond some administrator looking like they’re doing something which leads to things needing complete reworks, when administration comes around they’ll either spout out empty platitudes or just mostly ignore anything of import, administration will tear teachers down for not being a textbook teacher, and it goes on and on with stuff I don’t see coming home. For all of this, my mother hasn’t gotten a raise in like a decade now, she’s at the top of the pay scale and at best she gets cost of living increases that maybe amount to a few hundred a year. I make more than her at the bottom of most nursing pay scales. When I first started at the hospital I made 28/hr, I make 40/hr outside of the hospital and make more than my mother that works more than I do because she’s salaried. She also has way more qualifications than I do, I have a 2 year degree, she’s Masters+.

All this is to say that in a similar fashion, I saw the video, thought the framing was reductive, and didn’t click. Maybe they explain it better, but the generational framing when there’s so much more to it, even if just clickbait, means that they’re not properly looking at the underlying problems.

The pension…at least in Texas keeps getting worse. They keep adding more tiers on the date you join and each new tier pays less.

you simply can’t have widespread failure of the system without it being a problem of the system