First, Fedora is not Red Hat but their own community. (Although heavily sponsored by Red Hat)
Second, Red Hat is FOSS.
The ones hostile to FOSS are all the freeloading companies, which used the work of Red Hat to increase their own profit, w/o contributing anything back.
If it is so easy, cheap and so much fun to support a stable Distribution for 10 years with backports for security vulnerabilities and drivers, I am very surprised that we don’t have hundreads of community distributions which do this.
Finally, over the years Red Hat contributed a load of the things we take for granted now.
(Writing this as a happy Debian user. I am just tired of reading this kind of bullshit again and again and again.)
I’m with you on this. I’ve been using openSUSE since it was SuSE Linux, and I still here bs on occasion about how they sold out open-source to MS. I’m not a huge fan of what Novell did back in the day, although it did end up costing MS more money. That said the opensuse community is not whichever corporation owns SLE currently, and they still contribute back to the community.
Thanks! And I totally agree with you: We don’t have to defend or like what the corporations/companies do, most of their moves I don’t like.
OTOH Linux would not be anywhere w/o their investment. (Sad look over to the *BSDs, Haiku and ReactOS.)
There is so much crazy good and innovative output from the communities around Fedora and openSUSE (I like what is happening with Aeon right now, very cool and innovative)… so IMHO it should be the default for every FOSS user to project the communities which produce great products free of charge from bullshiters. :-)
This is why I hate Linux fanatics. They think everything that isn’t Foss is malware or something. I’ve been using Fedora for months now and it was my first time using Linux. Is probably the most modern and best working distro right now. Like it or not is amazing, and with 39 it’s even smother. Never had any problems, works perfect with Gnome and nothing has ever broken. Even games play just like in windows with a bit of tweaking in proton. You should maybe try things first and not be so paranoid about Red Hat. It’s a company just like many others. You think Arch or Mint wouldn’t become just like Red Hat if they had the user’s numbers? This world is all about money, so stop complaining and just let people enjoy
I’ve been using Fedora for months now and it was my first time using Linux. Is probably the most modern and best working distro right now.
I’m not gonna suggest to you to switch distros or whatever. But most of the modern feeling you are seeing is just the DE, which you can use whichever one with whatever distro. As far as Fedora’s own stack the centerpiece which is the package manager is actually really slow comparing with anything else.
You think Arch or Mint wouldn’t become just like Red Hat if they had the user’s numbers?
Yeah. They wouldn’t. I think they actually already do have higher number of users than fedora actually. If they don’t, then Debian surely does.
Red Hat is a for profit company, and their first goal will always be that even if that means squeezing you and making the experience worse for you.
Community distros are explicitly about the community and not about profit, and it works quite well.
Red Hat’s business is mostly in servers and service to host for companies. Fedora is a side project at most. That’s why I find it funny that people think Red Hat is going to destroy Linux or something. My point was that companies want to make money, and if a distro becomes really really popular is inevitable that sooner or later some kind of corporation will put it’s hands on it.
I know Fedora is mostly just Gnome, but you can’t deny it’s probably the best implementation of it in any distro. I tried KDE and wasn’t for me. I got used to gnome’s workflow real quick, I have trouble using Windows even. And Arch is definitely not easy to install for a newbie. Idk, I guess all this drama with Fedora is just pointless to me
if a distro becomes really really popular is inevitable that sooner or later some kind of corporation will put it’s hands on it.
Not how it works. And more so in general if you’re interested and curious do some reading on copyleft licenses. It’s truly a marvelous thing and they work quite well at keeping projects open.
I know Fedora is mostly just Gnome, but you can’t deny it’s probably the best implementation of it in any distro.
I absolutely can, what. It’s about the same as all other distros that don’t add much or at all to the upstream version.
And Arch is definitely not easy to install for a newbie.
If you are interested in trying it some time, once you’re in the installer type “archinstall”. It’s a default installation script that makes it easy to install. There isn’t nearly as much upkeep as the memes would suggest.
I tried archinstall. It’s still not easy, specially if you are not very well versed in os installs. As long as Fedora works it will be fine for me.
In any case, whatever you install will be better than Microsoft’s Windows, now thats a predatory company! I’ll never go back to Windows. And maybe in the future I will try my luck with another distro
Fedora IS the most modern distro. First to adopt pipewire, systemd, enables flatpaks by default and btrfs. Probably other things I don’t know. Being first is one of their core goals
You’re not wrong. But you are talking about the extreme who won’t use anything non-FOSS. In general, it is fair to say that all proprietary software is malware.
No one is allowed to change and fix it but the developer, thus you are harmed by being dependent on the will and motivations of the dev. Increasing dependence is always malus
Afaik, Fedora is a free software. I don’t deny that, and I’m a free software fan. I don’t have any problems with fedora besides that it is too heavy for me.
It looks you also care about your freedom because you use gnu/linux and lemmy. However, it seems you have a different meaning of malware.
Softwere is a recipe. Any unwanted step is malicious. You can only determine a step as unwanted by seeing its source code.
Besides this, a softwere can have other functions that are not coming from the code but the license. Similarly they can be malfunctions. For example preventing you from modification.
So yes, propriatory software is malware.
I use some malwares also, because they have no alternatives yet. But let me call them malwares.
Copyright is the example of capitalism polluting water to be able to sell clean water to people.
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First, Fedora is not Red Hat but their own community. (Although heavily sponsored by Red Hat) Second, Red Hat is FOSS.
The ones hostile to FOSS are all the freeloading companies, which used the work of Red Hat to increase their own profit, w/o contributing anything back.
If it is so easy, cheap and so much fun to support a stable Distribution for 10 years with backports for security vulnerabilities and drivers, I am very surprised that we don’t have hundreads of community distributions which do this.
Finally, over the years Red Hat contributed a load of the things we take for granted now.
(Writing this as a happy Debian user. I am just tired of reading this kind of bullshit again and again and again.)
I’m with you on this. I’ve been using openSUSE since it was SuSE Linux, and I still here bs on occasion about how they sold out open-source to MS. I’m not a huge fan of what Novell did back in the day, although it did end up costing MS more money. That said the opensuse community is not whichever corporation owns SLE currently, and they still contribute back to the community.
Thanks! And I totally agree with you: We don’t have to defend or like what the corporations/companies do, most of their moves I don’t like. OTOH Linux would not be anywhere w/o their investment. (Sad look over to the *BSDs, Haiku and ReactOS.)
There is so much crazy good and innovative output from the communities around Fedora and openSUSE (I like what is happening with Aeon right now, very cool and innovative)… so IMHO it should be the default for every FOSS user to project the communities which produce great products free of charge from bullshiters. :-)
Cheers!
This is why I hate Linux fanatics. They think everything that isn’t Foss is malware or something. I’ve been using Fedora for months now and it was my first time using Linux. Is probably the most modern and best working distro right now. Like it or not is amazing, and with 39 it’s even smother. Never had any problems, works perfect with Gnome and nothing has ever broken. Even games play just like in windows with a bit of tweaking in proton. You should maybe try things first and not be so paranoid about Red Hat. It’s a company just like many others. You think Arch or Mint wouldn’t become just like Red Hat if they had the user’s numbers? This world is all about money, so stop complaining and just let people enjoy
I’m not gonna suggest to you to switch distros or whatever. But most of the modern feeling you are seeing is just the DE, which you can use whichever one with whatever distro. As far as Fedora’s own stack the centerpiece which is the package manager is actually really slow comparing with anything else.
Yeah. They wouldn’t. I think they actually already do have higher number of users than fedora actually. If they don’t, then Debian surely does.
Red Hat is a for profit company, and their first goal will always be that even if that means squeezing you and making the experience worse for you.
Community distros are explicitly about the community and not about profit, and it works quite well.
Red Hat’s business is mostly in servers and service to host for companies. Fedora is a side project at most. That’s why I find it funny that people think Red Hat is going to destroy Linux or something. My point was that companies want to make money, and if a distro becomes really really popular is inevitable that sooner or later some kind of corporation will put it’s hands on it.
I know Fedora is mostly just Gnome, but you can’t deny it’s probably the best implementation of it in any distro. I tried KDE and wasn’t for me. I got used to gnome’s workflow real quick, I have trouble using Windows even. And Arch is definitely not easy to install for a newbie. Idk, I guess all this drama with Fedora is just pointless to me
Not how it works. And more so in general if you’re interested and curious do some reading on copyleft licenses. It’s truly a marvelous thing and they work quite well at keeping projects open.
I absolutely can, what. It’s about the same as all other distros that don’t add much or at all to the upstream version.
If you are interested in trying it some time, once you’re in the installer type “archinstall”. It’s a default installation script that makes it easy to install. There isn’t nearly as much upkeep as the memes would suggest.
I tried archinstall. It’s still not easy, specially if you are not very well versed in os installs. As long as Fedora works it will be fine for me.
In any case, whatever you install will be better than Microsoft’s Windows, now thats a predatory company! I’ll never go back to Windows. And maybe in the future I will try my luck with another distro
Fedora IS the most modern distro. First to adopt pipewire, systemd, enables flatpaks by default and btrfs. Probably other things I don’t know. Being first is one of their core goals
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You’re not wrong. But you are talking about the extreme who won’t use anything non-FOSS. In general, it is fair to say that all proprietary software is malware.
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No one is allowed to change and fix it but the developer, thus you are harmed by being dependent on the will and motivations of the dev. Increasing dependence is always malus
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Well the sun and your cells aren’t controlled by anyone, there is no one taking your choices away and profitting from that.
I see your point with offline games, I also wouldn’t consider them as malware.
I had regular programs in mind you use on a pc or smartphone
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Afaik, Fedora is a free software. I don’t deny that, and I’m a free software fan. I don’t have any problems with fedora besides that it is too heavy for me.
It looks you also care about your freedom because you use gnu/linux and lemmy. However, it seems you have a different meaning of malware.
Softwere is a recipe. Any unwanted step is malicious. You can only determine a step as unwanted by seeing its source code.
Besides this, a softwere can have other functions that are not coming from the code but the license. Similarly they can be malfunctions. For example preventing you from modification.
So yes, propriatory software is malware. I use some malwares also, because they have no alternatives yet. But let me call them malwares.
Copyright is the example of capitalism polluting water to be able to sell clean water to people.
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Thanks for the recommendation, trying red hat now.
Fedora is an independent project