No I don’t know or care about your propaganda. You kind of tipped your hand there with that anti-communist nonsense. (And no, don’t send me any RFA links about it)
No one but you is talking about puritanism. I started this thread by talking about people having a right to sexual (self) release FFS.
As to the nonsense about Christianity I was brought up an Evangelical Christian and I was expected to save myself for a nice Christian man and to submit to him in all things and not to have sexual desires outside of that idea. I know what sexual repression is and what unhealthy religious effects on sex and women are from a very intimate perspective that I wouldn’t wish on anyone.
As communists we do not see women as “dirty chewed gum” because they had sex before marriage nor do we call them such. As communists we do not criminalize abortion. As communists we do not object to sex toys or birth control, we pay for the latter. As communists we do not perpetuate or entertain the disgusting male ownership culture of girls’ and women’s bodies by their fathers, husbands, or the church.
Even the most uncharitable interpretation of my words could not reasonably say it was on the level of advocating for the same thing as disgusting Christian purity culture. Seems a little unreasonable as a perspective there because even if I were advocating for a communism with sexual repression on the level you think I am (I’m not, you seem awful offended on the behalf of sex pests) it wouldn’t be anywhere near the awfulness of purity culture just purely on the basis that communism results in liberation of women from patriarchal structures while Christian purity culture is sexual slavery by another name.
I can see where your outrage comes from to be honest. When I first escaped religion I was super liberal in terms of sexuality. I was pro-porn, I was just against anything and everything that looked like a constraint on sexuality because it looked more like that religious prison I’d just escaped. The passionate heat of the hate I felt as an anti-theist for religion has cooled though. I am still an atheist, still a religious critic. I am still of the opinion religion will be overcome. However I have perspective. Liberalism itself is a rot and a disease and we must free ourselves of it. This doesn’t mean state control over all sexual activities. I refer you to the GDR (East Germany) and their take on things as what we might look towards for guidance.
My comrade in Lenin! You just said “sex is bad”! How the fuck can someone interpret this except “sex is bad” when I’m referring you textually?
It’s was not anticommunist propaganda when the Chinese themselves refer to that time as a bad decade where they are very critical of what happened, and even I knew about this from a Chinese communist that was against death penalty, for fuck’s sake. And look, I know this loos like some sort of slippery slope, but that continuous propagation of calling everyone that defends that sex is not inherently bad, it’s just sex, and compare it to being “pro porn” and a “sex pest” is fucking borderline puritanical nonsense! I remind you, you said “sex is bad” which almost looked like you said it was sinful and still won’t be able to see how simmilar it is to puritanism?
Look. The sex is bad in my initial post was said jokingly. It was a meme if you will. A call-back to the volcel police meme, the Maoist position paper on consent under capitalism, AKA “All Sex is Rape” paper. I didn’t mean it literally. But I am for shutting down people getting horny online in left-spaces.
No I don’t know or care about your propaganda. You kind of tipped your hand there with that anti-communist nonsense. (And no, don’t send me any RFA links about it)
No one but you is talking about puritanism. I started this thread by talking about people having a right to sexual (self) release FFS.
As to the nonsense about Christianity I was brought up an Evangelical Christian and I was expected to save myself for a nice Christian man and to submit to him in all things and not to have sexual desires outside of that idea. I know what sexual repression is and what unhealthy religious effects on sex and women are from a very intimate perspective that I wouldn’t wish on anyone.
As communists we do not see women as “dirty chewed gum” because they had sex before marriage nor do we call them such. As communists we do not criminalize abortion. As communists we do not object to sex toys or birth control, we pay for the latter. As communists we do not perpetuate or entertain the disgusting male ownership culture of girls’ and women’s bodies by their fathers, husbands, or the church.
Even the most uncharitable interpretation of my words could not reasonably say it was on the level of advocating for the same thing as disgusting Christian purity culture. Seems a little unreasonable as a perspective there because even if I were advocating for a communism with sexual repression on the level you think I am (I’m not, you seem awful offended on the behalf of sex pests) it wouldn’t be anywhere near the awfulness of purity culture just purely on the basis that communism results in liberation of women from patriarchal structures while Christian purity culture is sexual slavery by another name.
I can see where your outrage comes from to be honest. When I first escaped religion I was super liberal in terms of sexuality. I was pro-porn, I was just against anything and everything that looked like a constraint on sexuality because it looked more like that religious prison I’d just escaped. The passionate heat of the hate I felt as an anti-theist for religion has cooled though. I am still an atheist, still a religious critic. I am still of the opinion religion will be overcome. However I have perspective. Liberalism itself is a rot and a disease and we must free ourselves of it. This doesn’t mean state control over all sexual activities. I refer you to the GDR (East Germany) and their take on things as what we might look towards for guidance.
My comrade in Lenin! You just said “sex is bad”! How the fuck can someone interpret this except “sex is bad” when I’m referring you textually?
It’s was not anticommunist propaganda when the Chinese themselves refer to that time as a bad decade where they are very critical of what happened, and even I knew about this from a Chinese communist that was against death penalty, for fuck’s sake. And look, I know this loos like some sort of slippery slope, but that continuous propagation of calling everyone that defends that sex is not inherently bad, it’s just sex, and compare it to being “pro porn” and a “sex pest” is fucking borderline puritanical nonsense! I remind you, you said “sex is bad” which almost looked like you said it was sinful and still won’t be able to see how simmilar it is to puritanism?
Look. The sex is bad in my initial post was said jokingly. It was a meme if you will. A call-back to the volcel police meme, the Maoist position paper on consent under capitalism, AKA “All Sex is Rape” paper. I didn’t mean it literally. But I am for shutting down people getting horny online in left-spaces.