That’s a really weird assessment of the state of the war that appears to be entirely divorced from reality. The numbers clearly do matter, and I’m not sure where this notion that Russian equipment is collecting rust comes from exactly. If anything, that applies to NATO equipment given that NATO stopped doing regular exercises a while back.
The reality of the situation is that Ukrainian army was funded, trained and equipped by NATO to be interoperable with NATO forces. It’s a NATO army in all but name. It was by far the biggest active army in NATO, aside from US, and the only European army to see real combat for the past 8 years of the civil war.
This army is currently being taken apart by Russian forces, and even western media is slowly starting to accept this fact. If you don’t believe me then wait a few months and it will become obvious what the state of things is.
If Ukrainian army can’t stand up to Russia, then I see no reason to think that other European militaries would fare any better given that they don’t have the same level of training or experience that Ukrainian military had.
Furthermore, Russia chose to go into Ukraine with a much more measured approach than what we’ve seen from NATO in places like Iraq or Libya. This would certainly not be the case if Russia was at war with NATO countries.
At the end of the day, continuing on the same path that got us war in Ukraine is pure insanity. The west needs to find a way to coexist with Russia and to take each others concerns seriously. The alternative to that will be a world war and a potential nuclear holocaust. People who refuse to understand this are a danger to all humanity.
That is an excellent question you pose. Please tell us how countries should coexist with the US empire that’s been at war for 225 out of 243 years of its existence.
You’re making it out as if Russia is some outlier, as if the west has not normalized going around the world and invading countries. Please, tell us how we’re supposed to deal with NATO countries that have destroyed and plundered nations around the globe for decades. The west murdered over 6 million people with its war on terror alone.
Get off your high horse, and stop pretending that you have some sort of moral superiority here. The reality is that nations will act in what they see as their interest. Russia is no different in this than “civilized” western nations that killed countless millions in their pursuit of world domination.
There is no clash here. The west has to accept that Russia will act in its interests and try to find ways to work cooperatively instead of escalating tensions.
I don’t know whether you’re genuinely ignorant or simply dishonest, but the fact is that Russia wanted to integrate with the west after USSR fell, but instead the west chose to create an antagonistic relationship with Russia which now culminated in a proxy war between NATO and Russia in Ukraine.
It’s becoming clear to me that people in the west would rather die in a nuclear holocaust then find ways to coexist with others.
When cooperation is not attempted, and you keep escalating tensions for 30 years then don’t act surprised when a war starts. Why didn’t NATO try to solve things peacefully in Yugoslavia, Libya, and other countries NATO destroyed?
Why do people in NATO countries act surprised that Russia perceives NATO as a threat given that it’s been aggressively expanding and destroying countries for the past 30 years?
NATO has shown zero capacity for diplomacy, and it attempts to dominate entire world by force. Now that countries are standing up to NATO, all of a sudden we have people moaning that they’re not using diplomacy. If a military alliance acts like a rabid dog then people shouldn’t be surprised at the hostile reaction that provokes.
When you say things that are false then don’t complain when people call you out on that.
Whataboutism is a form of the tu quoque fallacy where a double standard is used to dismiss criticisms of one’s own behavior in order to focus instead on the actions of another. People who cry whataboutism engage in empty and cynical deflection of responsibility. Anyone who unironically uses the word “whataboutism” is a pseudo intellectual.
If you can’t even comprehend how NATO expansion east directly resulted in the current situation, there really no point continuing this discussion.
I have heard enough about the reasons for the war. I asked for solutions. So far I haven’t heard any.
You must live a very sheltered life if you managed to avoid hearing any reasons up to now given that people have been talking about this since the fall of USSR. Here are a few examples for you.
That’s a really weird assessment of the state of the war that appears to be entirely divorced from reality. The numbers clearly do matter, and I’m not sure where this notion that Russian equipment is collecting rust comes from exactly. If anything, that applies to NATO equipment given that NATO stopped doing regular exercises a while back.
The reality of the situation is that Ukrainian army was funded, trained and equipped by NATO to be interoperable with NATO forces. It’s a NATO army in all but name. It was by far the biggest active army in NATO, aside from US, and the only European army to see real combat for the past 8 years of the civil war.
This army is currently being taken apart by Russian forces, and even western media is slowly starting to accept this fact. If you don’t believe me then wait a few months and it will become obvious what the state of things is.
If Ukrainian army can’t stand up to Russia, then I see no reason to think that other European militaries would fare any better given that they don’t have the same level of training or experience that Ukrainian military had.
Furthermore, Russia chose to go into Ukraine with a much more measured approach than what we’ve seen from NATO in places like Iraq or Libya. This would certainly not be the case if Russia was at war with NATO countries.
At the end of the day, continuing on the same path that got us war in Ukraine is pure insanity. The west needs to find a way to coexist with Russia and to take each others concerns seriously. The alternative to that will be a world war and a potential nuclear holocaust. People who refuse to understand this are a danger to all humanity.
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That is an excellent question you pose. Please tell us how countries should coexist with the US empire that’s been at war for 225 out of 243 years of its existence.
You’re making it out as if Russia is some outlier, as if the west has not normalized going around the world and invading countries. Please, tell us how we’re supposed to deal with NATO countries that have destroyed and plundered nations around the globe for decades. The west murdered over 6 million people with its war on terror alone.
Get off your high horse, and stop pretending that you have some sort of moral superiority here. The reality is that nations will act in what they see as their interest. Russia is no different in this than “civilized” western nations that killed countless millions in their pursuit of world domination.
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There is no clash here. The west has to accept that Russia will act in its interests and try to find ways to work cooperatively instead of escalating tensions.
I don’t know whether you’re genuinely ignorant or simply dishonest, but the fact is that Russia wanted to integrate with the west after USSR fell, but instead the west chose to create an antagonistic relationship with Russia which now culminated in a proxy war between NATO and Russia in Ukraine.
It’s becoming clear to me that people in the west would rather die in a nuclear holocaust then find ways to coexist with others.
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When cooperation is not attempted, and you keep escalating tensions for 30 years then don’t act surprised when a war starts. Why didn’t NATO try to solve things peacefully in Yugoslavia, Libya, and other countries NATO destroyed?
Why do people in NATO countries act surprised that Russia perceives NATO as a threat given that it’s been aggressively expanding and destroying countries for the past 30 years?
NATO has shown zero capacity for diplomacy, and it attempts to dominate entire world by force. Now that countries are standing up to NATO, all of a sudden we have people moaning that they’re not using diplomacy. If a military alliance acts like a rabid dog then people shouldn’t be surprised at the hostile reaction that provokes.
When you say things that are false then don’t complain when people call you out on that.
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Whataboutism is a form of the tu quoque fallacy where a double standard is used to dismiss criticisms of one’s own behavior in order to focus instead on the actions of another. People who cry whataboutism engage in empty and cynical deflection of responsibility. Anyone who unironically uses the word “whataboutism” is a pseudo intellectual.
If you can’t even comprehend how NATO expansion east directly resulted in the current situation, there really no point continuing this discussion.
You must live a very sheltered life if you managed to avoid hearing any reasons up to now given that people have been talking about this since the fall of USSR. Here are a few examples for you.