There is no clash here. The west has to accept that Russia will act in its interests and try to find ways to work cooperatively instead of escalating tensions.
I don’t know whether you’re genuinely ignorant or simply dishonest, but the fact is that Russia wanted to integrate with the west after USSR fell, but instead the west chose to create an antagonistic relationship with Russia which now culminated in a proxy war between NATO and Russia in Ukraine.
It’s becoming clear to me that people in the west would rather die in a nuclear holocaust then find ways to coexist with others.
When cooperation is not attempted, and you keep escalating tensions for 30 years then don’t act surprised when a war starts. Why didn’t NATO try to solve things peacefully in Yugoslavia, Libya, and other countries NATO destroyed?
Why do people in NATO countries act surprised that Russia perceives NATO as a threat given that it’s been aggressively expanding and destroying countries for the past 30 years?
NATO has shown zero capacity for diplomacy, and it attempts to dominate entire world by force. Now that countries are standing up to NATO, all of a sudden we have people moaning that they’re not using diplomacy. If a military alliance acts like a rabid dog then people shouldn’t be surprised at the hostile reaction that provokes.
When you say things that are false then don’t complain when people call you out on that.
Whataboutism is a form of the tu quoque fallacy where a double standard is used to dismiss criticisms of one’s own behavior in order to focus instead on the actions of another. People who cry whataboutism engage in empty and cynical deflection of responsibility. Anyone who unironically uses the word “whataboutism” is a pseudo intellectual.
If you can’t even comprehend how NATO expansion east directly resulted in the current situation, there really no point continuing this discussion.
I have heard enough about the reasons for the war. I asked for solutions. So far I haven’t heard any.
You must live a very sheltered life if you managed to avoid hearing any reasons up to now given that people have been talking about this since the fall of USSR. Here are a few examples for you.
Nobody is proving intellectualism to you here. What you’re being told is that your argument is a fallacy, and you’re using it to avoid discussing the core problem of NATO expansion.
You’re a deeply dishonest individual and there is no point continuing this discussion. I’ve explained the solution to you in this very thread, and linked multiple experts on geopolitics who explain how this problem can be avoided. Continuing to pretend that nobody knows how to avoid the problem that people have been explaining how to avoid for decades shows what sort of intellectual you really are.
I’ve repeatedly provided my opinions and possible solutions. I’ve also linked opinions of experts on the subject who support the kinds of solutions I outlined. You refused to discuss them and instead chose to screech about whataboutism. Now you’re complaining that I’m saying there’s no point in continuing discussion.
Once again, the solution is for the west to engage Russia as an equal and to come up with a security framework that both sides are comfortable with. This is what pretty much every western expert on the subject, from Chomsky to Mearsheimer advocates for.
It’s depressing to see that this is a hard concept for some people to wrap their heads around. Figures that a troll would waste other people’s time for a laugh though.
There is no clash here. The west has to accept that Russia will act in its interests and try to find ways to work cooperatively instead of escalating tensions.
I don’t know whether you’re genuinely ignorant or simply dishonest, but the fact is that Russia wanted to integrate with the west after USSR fell, but instead the west chose to create an antagonistic relationship with Russia which now culminated in a proxy war between NATO and Russia in Ukraine.
It’s becoming clear to me that people in the west would rather die in a nuclear holocaust then find ways to coexist with others.
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When cooperation is not attempted, and you keep escalating tensions for 30 years then don’t act surprised when a war starts. Why didn’t NATO try to solve things peacefully in Yugoslavia, Libya, and other countries NATO destroyed?
Why do people in NATO countries act surprised that Russia perceives NATO as a threat given that it’s been aggressively expanding and destroying countries for the past 30 years?
NATO has shown zero capacity for diplomacy, and it attempts to dominate entire world by force. Now that countries are standing up to NATO, all of a sudden we have people moaning that they’re not using diplomacy. If a military alliance acts like a rabid dog then people shouldn’t be surprised at the hostile reaction that provokes.
When you say things that are false then don’t complain when people call you out on that.
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Whataboutism is a form of the tu quoque fallacy where a double standard is used to dismiss criticisms of one’s own behavior in order to focus instead on the actions of another. People who cry whataboutism engage in empty and cynical deflection of responsibility. Anyone who unironically uses the word “whataboutism” is a pseudo intellectual.
If you can’t even comprehend how NATO expansion east directly resulted in the current situation, there really no point continuing this discussion.
You must live a very sheltered life if you managed to avoid hearing any reasons up to now given that people have been talking about this since the fall of USSR. Here are a few examples for you.
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Nobody is proving intellectualism to you here. What you’re being told is that your argument is a fallacy, and you’re using it to avoid discussing the core problem of NATO expansion.
You’re a deeply dishonest individual and there is no point continuing this discussion. I’ve explained the solution to you in this very thread, and linked multiple experts on geopolitics who explain how this problem can be avoided. Continuing to pretend that nobody knows how to avoid the problem that people have been explaining how to avoid for decades shows what sort of intellectual you really are.
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I’ve repeatedly provided my opinions and possible solutions. I’ve also linked opinions of experts on the subject who support the kinds of solutions I outlined. You refused to discuss them and instead chose to screech about whataboutism. Now you’re complaining that I’m saying there’s no point in continuing discussion.
Once again, the solution is for the west to engage Russia as an equal and to come up with a security framework that both sides are comfortable with. This is what pretty much every western expert on the subject, from Chomsky to Mearsheimer advocates for.
It’s depressing to see that this is a hard concept for some people to wrap their heads around. Figures that a troll would waste other people’s time for a laugh though.