One thing I have noticed is that when a dem is in office it becomes much easier to tell who your comrades are.
I do think the trump era did move a lot of people left, but in the end we all saw how so many radlibs just went back to brunch once Biden was elected. If someone’s opposing a dem while that dem is in office, I think there’s a much greater chance that person is committed to some sort of leftism. With a republican president we just get liberals with radical aesthetic, like “the resistance.” Sort of dumb reason to be pro-dem but just something I’ve noticed lately.
It’s so obvious too. Watching orgs evaporate overnight when Obama was elected and then again when Joe fuckin Biden won was super frustrating and enough to convince me that white “anarchists” are mostly full of shit unless they are in a committed org. Just adventure seeking radlibs
Even “the resistance’s” biggest accomplishment was a banner on a crane and an inflatable trump.
They really showed him!
Don’t forget when they painted BLM on the streets
But there were so many pussy hats on parade! Even Saturday Night Live showed how upset that made Drumpf!
My stupid ass manager went to that rally from Michigan. I wonder if she still feels like she changed the world
The only good part of that day happened the night before when some commie kid owned a journalist on live TV.
the good news is the western left does not exist
😌
“harm reduction” and my friend wants to keep getting HRT which makes state-level dems materially different from republicans for her… for now.
Harm Reduction Therapy :kelly:
This is how they do it.
Step 1: Dislike those that identify as right wingers for the most petty reasons (such as @Civility@hexbear.net ) instead of politically significant differences.
Step 2: Appropriate an identity that is ostensibly opposed to right wingers.
Step 3: Shit on actual left wingers constantly to try to shove them out of their own identity, which also protects the status quo.
social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism
At this point the only electoralism I can support is specific candidates or maybe some kind of local movement
Entryism into the Democratic party on the national level was always a fools errand, the best you could ever hope to do would be take over the party at the state level in a red state where they’re weak and even that’s a long shot
Hi! I don’t know what it is, but some weird site thing happened and your username showed up at the top right part of my screen as if I had “logged in” to ur account before the page loaded more and my own username popped up. Technology!
I think the closest thing to a state Dem party doing anything approaching acceptable is seen in Wisconsin and Minnesota. Both state Dem parties boldly stood for trans rights without any reach-across-the-aisle bullshit. Meanwhile, strong blue states like Maryland were very reluctant to do anything on trans rights when the issue first came up, and national Dems are predictably not supportive of trans rights (especially with KOSA and Biden’s rule to maintain Selective Services registration for trans women as if they’re men).
He was just invading your account. Happens to everybody. Do not resist.
Gavin Gruesome vetoing a trans right bill…
Shit, I thought that bug was fixed.
Highly recommend getting involved locally. Worst thing that happens is you make no real leeway politically but meet some cool people
Some of the coolest people I have met were locals who volunteer for the food bank and stuff like that. Not expressly political but benefits the community. They give a shit and that gives me hope in humanity.
call Palis, a semitic people, antisemitic while arming nazis in Ukraine and also looking the other way when Israel bombs Palestinians (which is every other day)
the contradictions of being a cumskin
“Harm reduction” only lasts for so long
American democrats in 2023 are the equivalent of 2004 Republicans
Libs don’t realize that ‘harm reudction’ means YOURE STILL BEING FUCKING HARMED
“Don’t worry I’m only gonna stab you with a knife, not a sword.”
Oh OK phew I thought my kidney was gonna get stabbed all the way through there. I’m happy to only have it cut a few inches. Thank you sir! This is proof the Dems are the best party!
Democracy at work.
You got a spare kidney, me stabbing one kidney instead of both kidneys is me being a magnanimous Democrat reducing the harm. You are welcome.
Their new strategy is promising progressive policies, getting into office, starting some horrific proxy war that the Republicans also would have done, paying PR companies to market it as progressive, then sacrificing all of their progressive policies in congress to continue the horrific proxy war because it’s actually the most progressive policy ever and if you disagree you’re a Russian bot.
It’s almost like the west uses “human rights” only as a cynical pretext to justify their brutal capitalist regimes wanton murder across the globe.
What is the realistic alternative? At this point I’m just happy if the Republicans stop gaining power. Once they are not so crazy, then we can move further left.
When was the last time the Dems got more left wing? Biden is the one pulling the shit in the meme and doomed American railroads by breaking that strike, Obama’s admin is the reason slave markets could open in Libya, Clinton ratified NAFTA and did all that
stuff, this is not a conclusive list of any of their deeds.How could you possibly drag that party left? They have resisted turning left at every turn largely in spite of their base and they keep getting elected. I personally don’t think it could be done and the alternative is to either vote 3rd party or spoil your ballot when the time comes around.
I don’t think it’s about dragging that party to the left, but weakening then republican party enough that a third more left leaning party can realistically run without taking so many votes from Dems that the republican win elections.
A weak republican party is against the interests of the democratic party, they literally say it themselves
The Dems and Republicans share most of their policy, the Republicans are usually just more open about how hostile they are to minorities. How would this supposedly left wing party peel off republican voters, not that many dems, but also not be openly bigoted? There are too many contradictions there I can’t see your logic
Hoo boy. Another propaganda bot looking to chill the Dem vote and ease the way for the Republican fascists.
Shut the fuck up you ignorant shitlib, Biden’s administration’s been racing to out-fascist the damn Republicans already, like building Trump’s wall and racing us towards nuclear hell
Another lemmy lemming jumping off a cliff and chastising everyone smart enough not to follow
Are the bots with you in the room right now?
We’re not bots we’re paid shills smh my head get it right
Wait the rest of you are getting paid?
We’re not bots
Speak for yourself
I hope you’re real and not just a guy doing a bitNah, we’re just devout followers of
hexbear is explicitly communist. Elizabeth Warren is “capitalist to [her] bones” and Sanders bent the knee to the party machine and can’t even manage to be on the right side of geopolitics.
what do you fucking expect from us?
explicitly communist
Wait, has Hexbear actually explicitly stated itself as a communist instance?
No, we are explicitly non-sectarian leftists who have a penchant for ultra- and Trot-bashing (though PSL does do good things here and there edit:but aren’t trot?). So I misspoke on that one, even though I’m not the person you were talking to.
i used and meant small-c
we all want the classless moneyless society etc etc, the disagreements are on how to get there from here
Little late but yeah PSL isn’t a Trot party. I think the misconception is due to them splitting from Workers World Party which started out as Trotskyist.
small-c
hell yeah dude
What’s it like being so politically and socially illiterate that you think that anybody would spend the effort to put bots on a tiny communist internet forum? Literally just think about how fucking dumb what you just said is.
The Dems are equally as fascist as the Republicans Obama built more border wall and deported more immigrants than Trump. The only place that maybe, MAYBE, you will get some actually progressive (gag) policy is in certain democratic states and cities, but it is incredibly telling that Democrats adopted Republican healthcare reforms (which fucking suck and had improved thing very little) after running on universal healthcare and having the majorities to implement it. Keep kicking the football Charlie, I’m sure you’ll get it this time.
Hey, that’s not true!
Since I’m also a bot and not from Hexbear, I’ll just have to resort to mentioning @WHATABOUTISM_DETECTOR@hexbear.net since I can’t trigger it :(
I got your back… Whataboutism
Whataboutism? What about deez nuts?
Thanks for triggering lol. Sadly, the bot’s response will probably only be findable on Hexbear since you deleted the parent comment.
Ah dang. I only meant to edit it. Must have been a bit on the stoned side
🐖 💩🏀🏀
Or maybe Democrats deserve some criticism from the real left for once if they’re going to pretend to be left.
I would rather ask why you care about an election thirteen months away which should just take a couple minutes rather than doing literally anything beyond that. If you can’t, that’s fine, but don’t act like just voting is going to stop the US from declining into fascism, which feels increasingly more inevitable if it isn’t already there.
I am a propaganda posting robot and I am hiding in your walls
The USA is already fascist. I could list out all the technical reasons why, but what else do you call a country that sends weapons and money to actual, real life, militant Nazis?
What do you mean “once they are not so crazy?” Both parties have only been moving further right, and the Republicans have no reason to stop when they know that every time they push their side of the Overton window right, the Democrats will match them on their side to lock it in.
Dawg the Democrats have been, they are, and they will continue to finance and promote far-right Republican candidates as a campaign strategy.
They prefer to run against candidates like that in the general. There won’t be an end by design
Once they are not so crazy,
The DNC is perfectly happy continuing to enforce whatever bullshit the GOP passes, they only wait for permission to enforce it. We’re only going to have an ethical government when it is built from the ground up to be ethical, free from our current constitution’s bias towards wealthy land owners such as the founding fathers who wrote it.
Feel free to cast your individual vote for Dems if it makes you more comfortable. It doesn’t really matter and there’s usually no meaningful choice anyways.
But if you’re spending any other time trying to support them, like joining the party or going to some protest that accomplishes nothing or trying to convince others to do so, I would recommend taking that energy and putting it into left organizing as part of a local leftist organization.
Our power as the working class is actually rooted in collective action, including labor actions to withhold labor, to disrupt capitalist structures of control, to shut down infrastructure, to demand attention for our causes. There are many more of us than there are in the ruling class (the class that controls the Democrats), but we fail to realize our power because we are disorganized and full of false consciousness about how the world operates. The reason the ruling class wants you to focus on bourgeois electoralism is that it is no threat to them. Being embedded in the work that is or becomes a threat is much more powerful. You’ll find that you punch above your weight (in power) in a competent left organization, way more than any Democrat activity ever offered.
If they moved farther left then they would stop the Republicans so much easier. People like getting stuff for paying taxes, if they did even the most tepid soc-dem shit instead of whatever bullshit they’re on, they’d rule unopposed for a century. How many times does someone like Nancy Pelosi have to say that they need a “strong Republican party” before you believe that will not help except by accident?
The realistic alternative is supporting organized labor, mutual aid, local candidacies and local issues that might actually accomplish something tangible. Picking up a gun if you have to. Vote for fun if you want but know that it’s a ritual you perform in place of politics.
Lmao it’s a marginal difference, so little that your energy is 1000x better spent worrying about and doing other things
What are the democrats better on? From where I’m standing, they’re continuing trump era policies, and in some cases making things worse
Edit: they didn’t respond to a single one of us 🤔
Are you referring to me not responding?
I don’t care enough to respond.
You just did
