u/Alwaysdeadly - originally from r/GenZhou
In my experience IRL (imperial core) and online, “Maoists” are often well read and intelligent but are also somehow completely unhinged. I mean specifically that kind of Maoist who rejects MZT and uphold Gonzalo Thought, for example. You know the kind.

Does anyone have an analysis as to what makes people become this sort of leftist, or any experience helping them back to the real world, as it were? All the Maoists I’ve known would make great comrades if they weren’t constantly wrecking or trying to wreck things in a given area. It may be of use to try to pull some back from the brink.

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    u/yw4lkwhenUcanride - originally from r/GenZhou
    Show them the current CPC’s take on Mao, which is that Mao, although earnest, might have gone a little too far in his restructuring of China.

    If they cant take the word of the people who were affected by his policy then maybe you arent talking with a principled socialist.

    The main thing to realize is that each revolution is different, and can be held in high regards. To call oneself a “Maoist” is just saying I am a Marxist Leninist who refuses to acknowledge my own community/nations needs in lieu of accepting Mao’s reforms as a blanket algorithm for revolution. Thats not materialist.

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      u/goodmax11 - originally from r/GenZhou
      Really excellent point. If people who agree with you on worldview (communists) and lived through the policies and results then they’ll have a better and more accurate analysis than a westerner living under capitalism a world away

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    u/EngineIsStalin - originally from r/GenZhou
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      u/lil_oozey_squirt - originally from r/GenZhou
      Can somebody explain to me who the fuck is running r/communism and r/communism101? Apparently I got banned for “not being a Marxist”.

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      u/Alwaysdeadly - originally from r/GenZhou
      Thank goodness.

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      u/yw4lkwhenUcanride - originally from r/GenZhou
      lmfao.

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    u/aimixin - originally from r/GenZhou
    There are a lot of different kinds of Maoists. If you mean online Gonzaloites, well, I don’t really agree that most Maoists are “well-read”. If they understood historical materialism, they wouldn’t be Maoists. Most just have a vague idea that socialism is about abolition of private property, and capitalism is all about private property, therefore they conclude you need to make all private property illegal immediately or else you’re not a true Marxist.

    Gonzaloites aren’t just anti-China. They also claim Fidel a bourgeois opportunist and turned Cuba into a colony and now today Cuba is an imperialist country. They stan Pol Pot as well and think he was a true revolutionary. Unironically they will tell you the Cuban revolution is bad but Pol Pot was good.

    No one can come to such absurd conclusions and be “well read” unless they’re intentionally reading the most absurd texts they could possibly find and refusing to read anything from the perspective of the people in those actual countries.

    No Maoist reads texts from Cuban communists or Chinese communists post-Mao. They only read Gonzalo approved texts, if they read anything at all.

    They won’t ever change their mind unless you can convince them to read texts from Chinese and Cuban perspective. They never consider the conditions people actually lived under but just judge everything according to how well it fits some utopian ideology.

    Take Cuba for example. They constantly say it was a “colony” because they continued to produce a lot of sugar. Sugar is the staple of their economy, if they stopped producing a lot of sugar the economy would just collapse and people would starve. They had to continue producing sugar and use that to fund diversification of the economy, which they have always tried a lot to diversify the economy and have succeeded in diversifying it a good amount. But because they did not immediately abandon sugar, Maoists use this as a “gotcha” that they were a colony.

    As Marx said, “The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence.” If have a revolution in is a country centered around sugar production, your material infrastructure is going to be centered around sugar production. You cannot just immediately abolish this, this isn’t an ideological thing, it’s a material thing. You need to gradually change it over time. Maoists have this “gotcha” book they keep sharing around proving Fidel was evil that constantly as their evidence gives examples of Cuba producing a lot of sugar.

    It’s so absurd. Maoists refuse to apply a material analysis to anything, which is why they believe China, which had just came out of a feudal society in Mao’s time, could implement a fully developed socialist economy by fiat, and think the only reason it failed is because there were too many nonbelievers.

    I cannot take Gonzaloites seriously at all.

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    u/hayasabruhzee2 - originally from r/GenZhou
    Safely ignore all gonzaloids, they are larping morons worship a fucking terrorist cult.

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    u/FuckThePopeJoinTheRA - originally from r/GenZhou
    Tell them that the Panthers are the best example of maoism possible in the imperial core and that they should stop larping and go work in a soup kitchen

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      u/parentis_shotgun - originally from r/GenZhou
      The panthers came about before modern maoism was really a thing: their greatest influences were mzt, malcolm x, and the cuban revolution.

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        u/FuckThePopeJoinTheRA - originally from r/GenZhou
        I’m aware comrade, I was just making a joke to roast them, whilst also giving them solid advice

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        u/REEEEEvolution - originally from r/GenZhou
        And Juche. Don’t forget that.

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    u/SietchJacurutu - originally from r/GenZhou
    ‘Cuba and Vietnam are imperialist but we should support the Taliban.’ Is one I got recently from online teen Maoists.

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    u/bluemagachud - originally from r/GenZhou
    I think they’re just vain contrarians, like trots, they don’t want to win, they’re just capitulationists who want social capital to use opportunistically

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    u/samubai - originally from r/GenZhou
    Really though, what is to be done?