u/wumaubot69420 - originally from r/GenZhou
Citing that the Chinese government has an approval rating of 90+% among Chinese people often gets countered by the argument “Why don’t you ask the Uyghurs/Tibetans/Hong Kongers what they think of the Chinese government”
Are there any statistics on approval among these people and how do you handle such an argument?
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouTibetans aren’t allowed to voice any support for their liberation so how would you know? If anything it just proves they don’t want China in their country…
[deleted] - originally from r/GenZhouTibet isn’t a country and China already liberated them from a monastic order responsible for cutting the tongues and eyeballs out of children, who they kept as slaves
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouTibet was before China invaded them. Mutilation wasn’t a common practice when China invaded. Tibet was in the process of modernization. Why don’t we look at China during the same time?
Furthermore, with your logic it’s justified for the US to invade and annex North Korea.
I would also love to see an academic source for this slavery claim.
Edit: I also love that you can’t even answer my basic question from my previous comment!
u/33rdJanuary - originally from r/GenZhouhttps://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=tibet+slavery&oq=Tibet+slaver
Also as to North Korea, we don’t actually know really what’s going on there. All your sources on nk probably come from western aligned media, to which the dprk is an enemy, and thus hardly unbiased. Its a difficult subject.
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouWow! Way to defend one of the most brutal regimes. Unless, all the North Korean refugees I worked with are lying, we know some of the brutality that is happening.
Oh and you never did post an academic source… give me a specific source. That’s right you can’t…
u/33rdJanuary - originally from r/GenZhouYou’re stuffing your fingers in your ears and not reading. I gave you an entire list of academic sources on tibetan slavery. Google scholar only searches academic sources. Go click on one of them.
I’m not defending the North Korean government, I’m simply stating that we don’t know enough. If that’s “defending” then you need to have a long hard look in the mirror.
Idiots are always the loudest.
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouGo ahead and pick one. Just using Google scholar and typing in a topic isn’t finding a source…
When we clearly know some of the atrocities that are happening and you state that we don’t know enough, yes, you are supporting them. Go read what you wrote, if you think you’re not defending NK, then you’re the idiot…
Here, I’ll do what you did. Look at Chinese slavery!
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C33&q=China+slavery&btnG=
u/33rdJanuary - originally from r/GenZhouSince you evidently can’t be arsed, https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0739314032000145242
And since you kindly put in a link for Chinese slavery for some reason, I clicked, I actually had a look through the results, and they mostly concern imperial China and Japanese war crimes in China anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ so what.
If you’re not here in good faith please piss off, thanks ☺
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[deleted] - originally from r/GenZhoumutilation was indeed common practice when China invaded and took back its territory from the monastic fascists that had been tormenting the Tibetan people for generations, sorry that hurts your feelings
the simple fact is, Tibet is at a maximum state of freedom and will belong to China as long as there is a China (I’d bet on at least another 4,000 years)
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouRepeating yourself doesn’t won’t make it true…LOL look at your feelings when people state the truth about Tibet…
LOL what happens if a Tibetan has a Tibetan flag in Tibet? They can’t even have a piece of cloth, but yet they’re so “free”.
[deleted] - originally from r/GenZhouthey’re free from the perils of separatism, as Xinjiang will soon be
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouRight…that’s why Tibet is always rated as having one of the lowest levels of freedom. Talking to Tibetans in Tibet, they don’t like the Chinese.
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u/DraygenKai - originally from r/GenZhou“can’t even answer my basic question“
Not the person who you were commenting to but I have to say. Upon reading your initial statement, the “question” sounded rhetorical. If your really want people to answer your questions then it also helps if you leave it at the end of your paragraphs.
[deleted] - originally from r/GenZhouit was also a stupid question
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouThat you can’t answer… so again, how do you know Tibetans support or don’t support the ccp?
[deleted] - originally from r/GenZhouquite frankly, I don’t care
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouLOL like everything else you CCP mouthpieces spew out, you have no sources. Why don’t you ask your leadership what you’re supposed to say?
u/dornish1919 - originally from r/GenZhouTibet was literally a feudal society with slaves. Imagine simping for slavers in the name of western propaganda.
Where’s your sources?
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouYou’re making the claim… you have to back it up (which you can’t). If you say unicorns exist, you need to provide evidence for it. I can’t provide evidence of unicorns not existing.
But what would you like specific sources for?
u/MisterBobsonDugnutt - originally from r/GenZhou*laughs in Lungshar*
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouAhhh the famous example that the Tibetans botched up because they had to use old Qing texts. (You know, because it wasn’t that common.)
u/MisterBobsonDugnutt - originally from r/GenZhouWhat are you even talking about dude?
I’m laughing at the notion of the Ganden Phodrang modernizing/liberalizing and at the notion that mutilation wasn’t a common practice.
What do Qing texts have to do with Lungshar?
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouLaugh all you want…the fact is, they were. Even the current Dalai Lama supported reforms. By the time China invaded, mutilation wasn’t common…
The Tibetans had to use Qing texts for Lingshar’s eye gouging…as they didn’t know how to do it.
u/Cumtown_Sweatshop - originally from r/GenZhouonly orientalist racist people think that tibet wants an unelected god emperor overseeing brutal theocratic feudalism. the dali lama is a cia puppet not some angelic jedi.
u/dornish1919 - originally from r/GenZhouThe irony is that during the liberation of Tibet there was infighting amongst the Lamas and many supported the PLA because even they were sick of all the corruption. Says a lot.
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouI would love any sources for all of this CCP support during their invasion!
u/dornish1919 - originally from r/GenZhouWell first off it isn’t “CCP” it’s CPC, and secondly people have provided sources all over the topic, there’s also this thing called research, and considering how you’ve been rude engaging in bad faith why should we bother? Where are your sources?
There’s always this double standard that westerners are allowed to talk out of their ass and provide zero evidence. I’m not playing this game with you. There’s other people who have responded with sources. I’ve yet to see you say anything to them.
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u/dornish1919 - originally from r/GenZhouThe only rude one here is you. I’m done being polite. By the way, 1.4 billion people who live in China know better than you ever will, and if they say it’s CPC then it’s CPC. You want proof? Here’s a source. Even Wikipedia agrees with me and that has a massive western slant/bias.
CPC means Communist Party of China, calling it CCP implies it’s the Chinese Communist Party, ergo it would be a Chinese version of communism which is incorrect. Their foundations are ML with MZT. This is why it’s important to call it CPC because the latter implies an incorrect definition both ideologically and grammatically. To just say, “no” without backing up your claim shows how you’re not really here to learn through good will and considering your other comments/statements it’s blatantly obvious.
I reported you twice for your disgustingly bigoted attitude. Go back to your r/worldnews echo chamber where you can talk shit about a country you clearly know absolutely nothing about. I got better things to do then engage with a stuck-up chauvinist whose acting out in bad faith.
u/AvantAveGarde - originally from r/GenZhouAh so that’s why it’s called the CPC instead of CCP, I thought it was just semantics to distinguish liberals who don’t know what they’re talking about versus leftists. Didn’t realize that it had more connotations due to the wording of it.
u/dornish1919 - originally from r/GenZhouIt’s more of a grammatical thing but liberals will purposely misspell it as a sort of “fuck you” towards China. It’s why it annoys me so much because they’re not doing it out of ignorance but a bad faith gesture. At least some do.
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u/dornish1919 - originally from r/GenZhouCool story, liberal.
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouLOL. The Tibetans hate China. They never asked nor wanted the Chinese to come in their country. You’re the racist person thinking that the Tibetans needed the Chinese “saviors”to help them.
u/dornish1919 - originally from r/GenZhouA revolution cannot be successful based on a small group of liberators like the PLA, this is Marxism 101, you need the backing of the people and in this case the peasantry/slaves supported the PLA otherwise they would have absolutely failed. The only people making these claims that Uyghurs, Tibetans and Hong Kongers don’t want the PRC around are westerners and their liberal cronies who are, ironically, begging to be bombed/invaded. I find it ironic you don’t find this suspicious in the least.
Here’s one such playlist of Uyghurs who support the PRC and deny the claims of genocide. Also there’s a person from HK in this very topic who supports PRC.
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u/AvantAveGarde - originally from r/GenZhouI guess that’s why the US was so successful in Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouWell should we compare those examples with Tibet and see how it’s completely different?
u/dornish1919 - originally from r/GenZhouWho the fuck are you to call my statement moronic? Seriously, I’m reporting you, getting tired of your bad faith takes. So far all you do is talk shit and deny anything we provide. I’m done.
u/StKilda20 - originally from r/GenZhouAs it was moronic… the Chinese invaded Tibet with tens of thousands with superior equipment and experience… their success had nothing to do with support for them. You probably should also learn a little of the history. The Tibetan government signed the 17 point agreement which gave Tibet to China after the Battle of Chamdo… Don’t be upset your BS got called out. Sorry you can’t handle the facts :(